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I’m confused, you previously said Morris was signed when clearly he wasn’t. How do you know who the remaining 5 riders are. Yes we can assume Adam & Zach are 2 based on them being asset & the club like using our own. The other 3 is just guess work. Some of your previous guess work include Craig Cook as number 1. A swap deal for Lambert & Doyle...can you see why what you say doesn’t get taken seriously.

Leicester Piggotts

I am not certain why that requires the NL points limit to be set at such a low level. There are few fans of runaway doubling up, but in the case of a young rider using the Championship for experience and the NL for confidence there is likely to be much less objection - as far as I am concerned that is what doubling up is for, not so that riders can make more money from the sport. I'd point out that Sheffield - with a BSPA committee member in charge - prefer to use an Australian and an American than a British youngster, so any suggestion that this for the good of British Speedway and its future prospects is compromised at best. The other thing is that the Championship has a notorious record of dumping young British riders when they don't score points (to be fair, that has been less prevalent more recently). Thrown out of the Championship because of poor scoring and unable to ride in the NL because of their average, they'd be frozen out completely. Jack Smith has already been told he has no place at Belle Vue. Its been stated that Ryan Kinsley and Drew Kemp won't be at Mildenhall, and with their averages they will be lucky to get in anywhere else. That's three promising young riders who, effectively, have been denied places in our development league. Bloody ridiculous I think the worst of it, though, is that it is entirely possible that this isn't the work of the NL clubs themselves (Last season there was a serious attempt to get the points limit to 40 or even 42, so I fail to appreciate why this year they would want 36). Desperate to make their product attractive enough so that they can pull in attendances to meet their expenses, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they had been forced to accept a situation that stands every chance of making their precarious existence all the more difficult by unnamed outsiders - because you can bet your bottom dollar that no-one will take responsibility for this - with absolutely no stake in the NL whatsoever

just the financial penalty from the Poles if he gets injured in UK!! Having said that, he hasn't been returning any calls from Wolves!!

Think it will be Troy so going to be interesting who the last few signings are because we can’t make the same mistake as last season with weak reserves.

He's going for a much safer option this time!

With rumours of unpaid riders that go through speedway, I’d say it’s the riders who take financial risks too.

Let’s get back on topic guys... Leicester have seemingly realised that no-one likes their name suggestions and saved it by saying the poll was a semi-final and there’ll be 4 more options to choose from! Surely Cubs and Hunters will be included.

As Ive stated on various other threads We all know what the real intention of the reg is - to assist British riders It just needs the correct composition in order to exclude those that did indded start in the 3rd tier but whos status would not now meet the entry qualification Anyone calling for the reduction to apply to the Aussie in their side is just perpetuating the self interest and manipulation that is at the core of the sports issues

That's the issue.Think I counted 23 riders on over an 8 average in the NL.Well over half will miss out of getting more experience from this level.Teams are going to be left with riders on a 5 point average who have been in the league for years as a 3rd heat leader.Hardly the way to bring people though the turnstiles.I want to see the likes of Smith who are progressing rather than riders who have stayed the same level for years.The NL is going to be a poorer product next season that's for sure

The lack of information is a major worry. If I’d just bought a new club I’d be engaging with my customers and trying to whip up some enthusiasm for the coming season. We are seemingly just a pawn on a chessboard waiting to be sacrificed so the king up the road can keep playing on.

So Ellis is now signing tomorrow?

Of course he hasn't, but he doesn't treat fans of clubs the correct way. If these fans walk away he'll financially be in the cow poop. Peterborough and Ipswich fans may flock to the first couple of meetings but if things ain't as the fans like they'll be no more. It's how it is, Speedway needs to start delivering on Value For Money.

Did you actually read the statement ??? “We have six riders who have agreed to ride for us, and we are just awaiting confirmation on the seventh. Only when we have all seven in place will we begin announcing names, as if you start making things public before contracts are signed, that’s when you can hit problems.''

Don’t despair, be realistic; speedway riders have averages regardless of their age and fairness is particularly important for team-building.

And now we have someone suggesting that 2 16 year olds with no real experience are picked out for handicapping in their first season in the CL! I despair

With sensible agreed points money For all three divisions & then strictly adhered to of course, all teams will know their outgoings - riders would know their earning potential & all things would be a lot more transparent in Speedway (La La) Land!

What 'scandals'?

There was nothing wrong with the league the way it was, it was doing its job producing some great racing to watch and producing a good number of riders good enougth to move up to the championship league.It was also giving the paying public value for money with a mix of riders good enough to produce some quality speedway racing and the chance to watch youngsters improve over the season a perfect mix to get me to part with my money.I have bought a season ticket every year for the Colts but next year I will not be doing so I will go to a few meetings and then form an opinion if the product on show is good enough for me to part with my money. My worries are. The Colts have already lost Smith and Perry next year who produced some quality/great racing round the NSS who is going to do this next year. I don't know but say we keep Bickley as our number 1 we might see some great races against the opposing teams number 1 but in his other races there is a good chance that he will be riding on his own well in front of the other riders in the race, this I have no interest in watching.(Will others ?.) The more talented youngsters improve very fast (Bewley,Kemp etc) and at some stage in the year to improve further need to ride against better riders there wont be many of them around to do this. The way it is now a rider that ends the season with a high average is a good indication that he is ready to be given a chance in the Champ league.Next season will this be the case a rider that ends up with a high average will he be good enough/ready to be given a chance as this average will have been achived by racing against less talented riders. We may lose a good few talented riders who cant or are not quite ready to get a Champ league place but who's average is to high to get a team place in the Nat league Some of the riders that get a Champ league place spot may still need to race Nat league to help them improve further and keep their confidence up if they are finding it hard in the Champ league. My biggest worry is yes the National league is a development league but for people to pay their money(for some teams its not much less than the higher leagues) and turn up you have to give them a product that will give them value for money and entertain them ie good speedway racing.For me the product next year from seasons past looks like its going to be a lot poorer than previous seasons.As I say I will give it a try but if I am disappointed I am lucky I can just go back to just watching the Aces.But to me these changes could cause the sport to lose even more supporters when to me the product was fine and needed no changes what so ever. I have a few other reasons going round in my head but the above reasons above should get my point of view across.but to me its just another worry for the future of the sport I love.

....... and he delivers all those presents on Christmas Day. What a guy!

What is the need for doubling up to be removed now with Monday and Thursdays being used in the PL and no teams racing in the Championship on a Thursday? Surely the only problem before was riders missing matches. Now that won't be a problem, surely more meetings for riders meaning they could afford to take less of a wage per match can only be good for teams and more riders being available can only be good for teams. It's such an ill thought out idea YET AGAIN from the BSPA!

Buster keeps his cards very close to his chest, and his wallet even closer.

i miss the days when EVERY club would have speedway March - October

The British Youth Championships have got as much as anything to do with the increase in quality of riders coming through, year on year it seems that more good young riders are getting into the system. Hopefully those in charge can see this and give it all the support they can. Meeting against other countries are an excellent idea, the more experience they can get of different environments the better.

So a rider we dumped the world champ for and showed more passion riding for the enemy than he did for his own team last season, doesn't want to come back after dropping 2 points off his average. Good riddance I say and I never thought I would be saying that after heat 13 at Wolves in 2017.

Neither do those who come up with them.

When you begin losing the urge to keep up with the rules, you tend to gradually lose interest. I recall one time at Belle Vue, stood on the terraces, about 2004 when this guy next to me asked when a Golden Double could be deployed in the match or something like that. I was stuck. Me, a fan of 30-odd years, couldn't keep track of what was going on with the continuous tinkerings at the AGMs. Reading the forums now about converting averages of certain riders, the same. You can just lose the will to keep up with things. The racing can be brilliant, but you have to keep track and have the appetite to keep up with the rules. If a rule is good in the first place, why change it?

Flamin' Nora, you've got a speedway team in existence to support, and you moan about nicknames. Yes i'm a Hawk and Hammer no more. Enjoy your live Speedway.

BT pays the club "a little" Riders sponsors give the money to the riders

Would certainly be good to see our Promoter from the affluent south ploughing in some of the proceeds from his other successful motorsport business, to help keep our beloved sport alive. Reassuring news Crescent Girl

Nothing worry about Nothing happening aswell at Belle vue Peterborough Poole Kings Lynn Apparently there is a new league sponsor who wants his company promoting on every riders front fork covers and heat shield and on the bike covers. A few riders are refusing which is delaying things. It could be bullsh*t though.

I don't think you'll be far off with that team. I'm still hoping Iversen will be a part of it but i'm not confident that he will.

I think it's open to all but only members can vote on AGM. Best to check tho via their Facebook page or website.

Has Josh Mcdonald qualified for a visa ? Jaimon Lidsey would apparently come in on a higher average due to riding in Poland last season. Simon Lambert suited to bigger tracks. Turned down a return to Worky the season after being offered a team when Rye House dropped him. Chose to sign for Peterborough giving travelling distance as the biggest reason. Never advanced from reserve status really but goes pretty well round Derwent Park.

Amazing how everyone else seems to know who our team is, I guess the management should just announce it now. I thought Chessell had retired? If Cookie is back, I am happy , if anyone can get the best out of the reserves ,Cook can

We’ll agree to disagree.

Not for a minute saying we will get them, but a top 3 of MPT, Wright and Barker would be a great spearhead.

His dad is British but Wendy is most certainly an Aussie you couldn't get a more Aussie sounding woman.....Great one too

Just do it

Tom did a good job for the Colts last year. with his job working in a bank, a Saturday home club will suit logistically Best of luck Tom... you are a gentleman

Andy Smith was at there presentation night with Tom Perry,wonder why that was then ...surely not because they had nothing better to do .

See Willowman's reply Cliff who has worded it in a much better way than I could. You ask what the alternative is, the alternative is that people will go and spend their £16 (by the time you park the car, buy a programme and paid for fuel it's going to be more like £20-£25) on something different instead of Speedway. If the product being offered isn't what the fan in question wants, they don't have to like it or lump it - they will just go and do something else. I believe Somerset said they were planning on running in the PL up until the AGM so they must of thought they could make it pay until a few things didn't go their way at the AGM. Again, that says something about the state of how the sport is run in this country when a club that owns its own track and all of its own facilities felt it was going to be a financial risk too far.

The infuriating bit is that with the low points limit in the NL this season the likes of Brennan and Kemp are not guaranteed a team place. We have already seen Jack Smith shown the door at Belle Vue, and he is going to be very lucky to get in anywhere else. How stupid is it that our best youngsters are - at least potentially - denied a position in our development league ?

Take Ryan Kingsley out the equation for now as he's learning his trade Look at Josh Baileys scores and average for Mildenhall as that is against the riders he will race against at his number in the championship this Year the young Aussie Jedd could be anything but Jake recommended him The top 3 Auty,Garrity and Allen will match most top 3 riders plus last but not least Stefan was averaging over 7 before his broken leg and comes into the team on 5.6 I think so I think we have a good balance every team in the league wanted

Really hate all this negativity, you will all be crying when there is no Speedway. We have no choice up here we have rockall. Gary has again put together a decent team that will compete at this level. We have a cracking set up at Somerset, don’t ruin it. People who know me know that I was and am a passionate follower of the Rebels, I really looked forward to going every time I was down there even when times were hard back in the early days. On the odd occasion I get down there now people are so nice and friendly when I pitch up, like they only saw me the other week when in reality it may have been a year maybe. Brilliant clubhouse, good racetrack (again ), and good supporters. I can’t wait for the season to start again to see how it all pans out.

I think it should be 8.70, his converted average from the final figure during his time at Rye House last season (5.80 x 1.5).

Ah! Never heard him called “Ken” before. Thought it might have been Ken Eyre. Or Ken McKinlay!

Agreed and all British. Too much to hope for?

All is not lost. This apparently is semi final 1. 4 more names to follow next week for voting in semi final 2. Ahem

Just a thank you to Ged for keeping fans updated with riders/ team manager selections although there is nothing concrete for us to consume at present , it's good to know that things are being sorted behind the scenes and it doesn't take much just to keep fans informed rather than to say nothing .