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The Bond that all promoters have to lodge with BSPL is the way of covering all speedway debts. Riders can claim from that, but the standard rate for all riders would be a lot less that their actual own contract pay rate.

That's what grates so much, we've always been a club with a conscience, and a speedway heritage, always known for prompt payment of riders etc. Going to need some good PR, but does look positive from the noises coming from the new set up.

Recover the money from whom? The company is bust. The BSPA seize the riding assets and try to sell them (e.g. Tom Brennan to Glasgow), and an administrator will wind up any physical assets, but that's not much money to be realised, and a hell of a lot of creditors looking for a share of it.

Need a thread for, and by Wolves fans, not some troll from Peterborough. Comments from the talk-in @ the Cleveland Arms tonight:- Drew Kemp is the new signing to ride along side Leon Flint at reserve. Ipswich told him it might be best to “have a season away” Wolverhampton is not his favourite track, does not like tight technical tracks! Broc Nicol has been released. Jacob Thorsell is not an option due to the availability and cost of flights, they are not at pre-covid levels. The full team is decided, may be released end of December, beginning of January. Tai Woffinden – Peter Adams will again be helping him next year to try and regain the World Title. Expects the GP schedule to be similar to this year. Ryan Douglas currently self-isolating in a hotel in Australia for 2 weeks. Lots of friction between the Premiership and Championship clubs. Alan Grahame – Peter Adams shared his memories. Grahame was always late arriving at meetings. His funeral was scheduled for 9:00 am. Hearse arrived at 9:20. One of the main reasons for the supporters trust is distant fans. CVS constantly surprised at online orders for merchandise, recently sent stuff to New Zealand and Australia. This will be a way for these fans to support/help the club whilst not being able to attend meetings. The speedway office needs replacing, the supporters club will be able to help with the cost. Programme – will continue to use the current printers. The Wolves programme retains the “old size” whilst everyone else uses the larger size. I prefer the traditional size. Musielak, or any other Polish rider, not an option due to the influence exerted by Polish clubs. Number 8 – currently talking to a 17 old. Expect him to be No 1 for the junior side. Number 8 – no restrictions to their use, use them whenever you wish. Due to restrictions with access the track staff arrive at the stadium at 6:00 on Sunday and Monday. Highlight for CVS, new toilets in the upstairs bar. This is a major step forward. The people who leave after heat 14 are really annoying with their red brake lights causing a problem for the riders. Another 5 minutes wouldn’t hurt would it? 2 tracks were considered for additions to the PL. CVS hopeful that in a year or two, the PL could have 8/9 tracks. Peter Adams – in years to come Rory Schlein will be recognised as one of the best ever Wolves captains.

Personally think Leicester to be applauded for sticking with twins this season, particularly Dan. Seen it so often young rider gets to the "difficult average" and gets dumped back to NL or go backwards for having to find a place in a weaker side. Playing the long game that may not have a challenging side next season (IMO), but for following years the may be able to consistently if twins progress

A couple of years back,, Drew was the best new thing since sliced bread down Suffolk way. He will end up being a far better rider than Rowe. Being away from Ipswich will do him the world of good.

Blindingly obvious my a*se! When a team is assembled at the start of a season, it is with a view that riders will either up their existing average or at least maintain the one that they are on. If Bates and Proctor had delivered on the latter (as we know this went t*ts up), both twins would have remained at reserve. The twins had never raced at this level previously but finished with a combined average uplift of almost 4 points.

Let’s get a bit of perspective here, this is a press release saying….” We will be doing the same thing as we did last year, picking our own preferred ‘ youngsters ‘ and telling some other ‘ youngster ‘ your the non useable number eight for the night. We say we are going to have a junior league , same as we said last year, but we didn’t bother with it really and we may or may not bother again this year” Lets wait and see what actually comes out in the wash.

Dan is undoubtedly the best rider at the moment, but rider's progress at different rates especially when you throw injuries into the mix. Look at the Worrall's respective careers, when they first started I thought Richie was going to be the good one, but then Steve kicked on to become an almost international class rider, broke his leg, struggled to come back and now I'd say they're pretty level again.

one rule that needs changing, or things will go the same way at clubs again

I don’t mind seeing that in a rider though in all honesty. Ok he may have been in the wrong, but I love to see a rider with fire in his belly. That comes across in his racing as well, very determined. Kemp on the other hand for all his natural talent, can be a bit timid on track and seems to lack that killer determination. It may well come, but he was frustrating to watch at Foxhall this year where he often had speed and chances to pass, but any hint of a gap starting to close he’d immediately shut off and blow his chance.

Improving the lot of the NDL and making it easier to then move into a championship side seems more logical than this pointless announcement.

Like Eastbourne this seems sensible to me

And if the bond has been used up in fines? Hypothetically of course

The previous company is still active but all assets and bonds have reverted back to the BSPL, we've been trying to find out the name of the administers with no luck of yet Indeed it does, the good name of the club has been dragged through the mud but we are determined to get it back for 2023. Regards Mark Horsman

Erm, no. Like we've already said, when the company goes into administration and the administrator collects any money owed to the company, and sells off any company assets, on behalf of the creditors. Any money raised gets distributed to secured/preferential creditors first, and then unsecured creditors. The BSPL seize any speedway assets and try to sell them, with any money realised going to pay the speedway creditors.

Sorry to sound a bit negative, good ideas, but the feed of riders of the current standard will become less and less, it's living off the back of the successful national league a couple of seasons ago, if nothing's done to rectify a decent NL it's short term again, I can see the second halves being half hearted like last season.

That’s a positive step in the right direction for once.

Holding off more than usual? We're not even out of November yet, and most teams are planning to reveal the compete 1-7 already. I've never known it all sorted so early! Usually at the back end of November we're still waiting to hear the outcome of the AGM, the points limit, and who is in which league. I can even remember in the recent past when signings were being made in March in the last week before press day.

He probably doesn’t know why he just waffles for the sake of it.

To be fair the dislike as you say is only coming from a certain few , personally I like the look of Plymouth will win most home meetings which is your bread and butter. Tidy side they have assembled.

No white lines today unfortunately... job was abandoned... rain and snow stopped play... however I popped down today before going to another call out in Durham and in the hour and a bit I was there the lads had put down 180 ton of shale... in fact the shale was going on the track that fast Steve Lawson was struggling to keep up grading it in... however knowing Steve as I do and him being a bit of a perfectionist that surface will be spot on come next March... all 1200 ton or so of it... Regards THJ

I really hope Birmingham can come to tapes in 2022, the start up costs are large and that rent sounds pretty big too.. If they do manage it and we all hope they do, get out and support your club!

Vans are usually leased due to high mileage, hence new every year as it costs the same. Not many riders in UK even use the 2 helmets a meeting they'd need. Emil's would all be sponsored.

My Final Team Prediction before the big announcement. Jack Holder Kyle Howarth Tobiasz Musielak Adam Ellis Broc Nicol Jake Allen Connor Mountain (Rising Star) Dan Thompson (8)

The problem is that everyone is convinced that they KNOW what would have happened. What we have to do is judge things by what happened, and not what might have happened. Take Tommy Jansson. Everyone says that he would have been a world champion, but he would still have been facing Collins, Lee, Mauger, Olsen etc, and then Penhall, Gundersen, and Nielsen. Nobody can say for certain...

Tbf the track hasn’t changed that much since then..not like the days of a deep outside line that only brave and quality riders could handle and enjoy just like the fans..men from boys

I did not think it was one or two people who had made the decision to not follow through on what was announced as a five year plan. Whether it is the BSPL or the Championship league who got rid of the idea does not matter. What is certain is that once again speedway has introduced a five year plan and then voted against it within twelve months. If "rising stars" were such a good idea twelve months ago that they were voted in why change their minds without giving the idea a fair trial? How does having riders sitting in the pits and not racing as number eights help them progress?

Your argument needs to be based on what was known at the start of the season rather than reflect on what should have happened, we can all do that, it’s not that clever. Average returns from Bates & Proctor should have put no pressure for Dan & Joe to deliver away. The twins came in on low assessed averages, just keeping the team total under the limit. Their combined average uplift is higher than that achieved by Hume & Mountain since the start of the season. A team is built around 7 riders, rarely starting from reserves upwards. With your vision you may want to spend your time managing a speedway team rather than keep posting here!

Plymouth have put together a decent team. Certainly an improvement on last season. But their top riders peaked a while back. They should be strong at home but struggle on their travels. Won’t drop many points at their track. If they scrape into the playoffs it should be considered a very good season for them. I don’t believe they can realistically expect anything more than that.

Decent move for Kemp. and agreed, i dont think he has been in Chris Louis's plans since the season finished. Just couldn't fit him in our final 7.

Ah. So, in your strange world, Tai Woffinden played no part in Great Britain's Speedway of Nations win? After all, Woffinden didn't ride in the semi-final and final races, and since GB finished 15 points ahead of Australia, his 14 points were completely unnecessary.

I thought if a rider rode in the Ekstraliga they could only ride in one other league not including their home nation. So Nicki could do Poland, Britain and Denmark, as he is Danish... I'm sure I read that somewhere...

So ALL the team predictions on this forum are WRONG... because we'll be naming EIGHT riders!

not sure who started that rumour but NO truth in it. The consortium are busily working on everything -- hopefully news very soon

Possibly Nicki P .. then I definitely would making 1 or 2 journeys south to Sheffield on a Thursday evening

Yes. From the tweet they put out on Thursday, sounds like the full team will be announced this week.

The plan at the start of last season was to have two rising stars this season. That has been watered down to having a number eight who could never actually get to race. How is not having them race a way of helping "rising stars"? BSPL are saying they want to help rising stars but dropped them from the Championship and halved them in the Premiership and now want to sideline six riders as number eights. What am I missing or have those in charge got it totally wrong, not for the first time.

My pick would be Bruce Penhall. He cleaned up everything there was to win and did it in style too. And if we were talking about being the complete package, I think he has a stronger case than a few of those in the top 5. Crump, Hancock, Olsen, Gundersen all legitimate claims too....but also a couple of questions over whether they were the best in their own eras. Short as it was, Penhall was unquestionably the best of his. Disastrous it was at the time for the sport, but the timing of his retirement looks smarter and smarter as time goes on. Winning the title at the last ever final at Wembley, including winning two of the sport's most iconic races and defending it in his home city....well, it was never going to get any better than that for him was it? I think he had a few more titles in him, but somehow Norden, Bradford and Vojens just don't seem like the right stage for a rider who was the sport's last superstar.

Suspect why not been dissolved then, creditors may be blocking it. Really sad Eastbourne got this way, always came across as such professional well run club. Hopefully 2023 brings a new dawn

I just hope we get accepted even if we get excepted from things like voting rights and fixture preferences Keep the faith!

In alot of cases. Most of these signings are verbal. Nothing signed, untill it's signed then the riders can go anywhere else.

Can't wait for the day when the Twins race for different teams. Not doing Lions any favours being in the same Championship team.

Seeing that Frisky Racing is posting on different Lions Facebook groups, offering the opportunity of having your name on Dan & Joe's race suit for £20, I'm guessing that it would be safe to pre empt an announcement that Joe will join Dan in the team for 2022. Maybe they should have waited for an official announcement?

If that's all you've got to worry about, you must be in a very happy place in life.

The general rule of thumb to becoming an all-time great is probably 4 world titles. With that in mind, Hancock has to be considered, although the gap between his first and second titles does make it possible that he won 3 of them in a weaker period.

What a brilliant team Plymouth have put together. Well done all concerned. Got to be one of the favourites for the league.

Wasn't Kim Nilsson another of those owed money?

I have defended you on many occasions, both publicly and privately. I have tried to help you, with information and technologically. You wonder why people mock you and criticise you, and I have tried to explain. You just need to act like a normal person, John. You need to stop treating us all like idiots. You need to stop wasting your time - and our time - with pointless projects. You need to stop rehashing things over and over. You need to stop constantly contradicting yourself. You need to remember that you are not our superior. You need to stop acting like a lifelong speedway fan when you are not. Your love and knowledge of speedway expired in the 1950's. If you want to provide any kind of service to the speedway community, then just stick to the era and riders about which you DO have knowledge. And FFS, John, TALK to people instead of just posting links - particularly when it comes to self-promotion. I don't think I can be any fairer that that - or more polite than that.

I don't know how well Ermolenko rode , but Ole is for me without comparison. Could it be that Sam's achievement was against stronger oppo ? 1970..Wolves..35..160..408..2..10.25..12F..1P1971..Wolves..35..159..435..2..10.99..17F..2P1972..Wolves..31..150..424..3..11.39..18F1973..Wolves..29..136..361..7..10.82..12F.2P1974..Wolves..27..119..335..4..11.39..15F..2P1975..Wolves..22..99..267..0..10.79..7F Compared to Nielsen 1977..Wolves..32..144..230..31..7.251978..Wolves..30..137..285..18..8.85..5F..1P1979..Wolves..34..157..392..12..10.29..9F..1P1980..Wolves..29..137..359..7..10.69..11F..2P Sam 1986..Wolves..39..184..407..40..9.72..3F..8P1987..Wolves..27..127..292..21..9.86..2F..2P1988..Wolves..41..226..504..27..9.40..2F..3P1989..Wolves..16..80..179..18..9.85..1F..3P1990..Wolves..24..133..269..26..8.87..3P1991..Wolves..27..143..364..20..10.74..5F..8P1992..Wolves..28..151..368..19..10.25..5F..4P1993..Wolves..43..237..627..32..11.12..8F..9P1994..Wolves..31..166..388..20..9.83..6F..3P1995..Wolves..41..243..564..66..10.37..13P https://wwosbackup.proboards.com/thread/2134/ole-olsen