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Seriously though, we not even in the same league as you, so why are you even bothered? I can't wait to watch this team, it's full of racers if nothing else

Blimey - I’m half expecting to see Brent Werner signing as a mid season signing! Good to see Complin back, was quality on his day on the big tracks!

Lots of posters are quick to say no to Bates, Proctor, Sedgmen for example. But who else fits? Normally I wouldn't suggest a 6.00 man who will score 4 points a match, but of the next best option is a 2.00 junior - better off with one of the above 3 mentioned!

Very happy with that line up after last season - excited to see how Complin does after a few years out. He was a rider I enjoyed watching before he retired.

It is very pleasing that people are upset by this but on this occasion I think Blobby is wrong I think Tom will push an 8 point average , just need to get confirmation that Basso is in-fact not a Poole asset and Glasgow get him for free. Can you imagine the meltdown when that happens my jaw will be aching for days laughing.

He went back to the states and won a few North california titles. I think people often under estimate the difference in strength between a top flight of 17 teams and a top flight of 11 teams, which was the shift from 84 to 85. It meant weaker heat leaders became second string quality, and second strings became reserve standard. Arguably that's what happenned to Courtney, Campbell and Ingels in 85.

My understanding is 8 meeting’s to be an asset but 4h 4a to get a Cma. he has 8 meetings but 3h 5a hence why he is still assessed.

Tom bacon as retired

Probably waiting for cheques to clear !!

Grajczonek is European, he uses Polish ancestry to ride in Poland (who'd have guessed with a name like that!) The problem is that since brexit European riders need work permits too.

Is that a picture of Piers Corbyn as your avatar?…….

LOL. Why do you even bother.

Things never change on here the same people taking the same rubbish!

So it’s Lee Complin!

Both. Weymouth were also the Scorchers, Royals and Eagles!

Could complete the team with 2 riders who can certainly score plenty in the reserve berth! Oxford 2022? Troy Batchelor 9.11 Scott Nicholls 8.84 Cameron Heeps 5.19 Kyle Newman 5.03 Jack Thomas 4.79 Stefan Nielsen 4.52 James Sarjeant 4.30 Total 41.78

Hi SS BSPL don't own the name and there will be no cost involved as the matter has now been resolved Regards THJ

So depressing accurate but talk about the writing was on the wall…it could have been made last year!! When you look at Chapmans behaviour it’s of little surprise the sport has spiralled in to a big black hole. He exudes incompetence and yet he was allowed to eventually run the sport, sadly into the ground.

Perks supposed to have retired as is the word on josh bates aswell

Glasgow promotion confirmed at a tigers plus event that they haven’t contacted the BSPL with the team hence why it remains blank.

Don't know where you get your information from? But not right.

Only thing I care about is no Glasgow riders in the Peterborough team end up with season ending injuries again.

It’s not rider related but from what I understood it will be sorted very soon.

Chris Holders name keeps popping up, any truth he could be Poole bound

Good average for R/r though.

Caused Glasgow far more issues losing ulle than it did Peterborough!! Strengthened you in some respects due to his early season form. Just as likely to get injured riding for either, no one to blame simply the nature of the sport

I think crump will Be in the team. He’s not said he’s retired again and is keen to race if someone will have him, he goes pretty well round NSS and on a low average too !

I'm not sure I'd take Bates on a 4 point average let alone a 6.20. Had too many nasty injuries and missed to much track time for me.

Hi mate I am pretty sure Nico Covatti is no longer a Brummies asset im afraid , When the club folded mid way through the 2014 season our asset base was taken by the bspa I think .

I think there is a habit of comparing apples with pears. There are a lot of Speedway meetings every week so you can't compare it to F1, MotoGP or even BSB where there are just a few events available to watch live each year. Personally I'd like to think that with the correct marketing (as an extreme sport that is very dangerous in my opinion) things could improve a little. Otherwise though it is like the vast majority of live sport struggling to attract spectators. We hear that the characters are no more but the more outrageous behaviour has not only been ruled out by referees but also by a more cynical public who are less likely to accept such things as being real. So many of those antics and tantrums of the past would be dismissed as pantomine and fake by todays public with this forum leading the way. I think that gradually the sport will devolve into being a lot more amateur racing where riders paying to race foot the bills and smaller teams of professional racers competing less often to attract spectators. That is the way almost all motor sport operates with a very small minority of races attracting enough spectators to be able to pay the racers.

Sorry covid restrictions deem thats not allowed unless your a politician

It is because the promotion have not yet emailed the announcements directly to the bspa, I asked the question on a recent zoom meeting with promotion during a Tigers plus supporters event

Fricke Wright Kurtz Etheridge ?????? Allen Brennan I agree about Jye in the 1-5, but wouldn't surprise me to see him there. We could see him and Allen swapping places into the season anyway, as the latter has what it takes to be in the main body of the team. The above would leave 7.00 for the last rider.

Laurence Rogers (Team Manager) is a regular poster on here. I've never been called a 'Geek' before....I prefer 'anorak' if that's ok !

I think both Courtney and Blackbird lacked the application...both very able though. Andy Campbell had a really good 1984 with Exeter, but it was a lot different being a big fish in a small pond than riding at no1 for the Aces. On paper all looked good signings....but didn't work out that way. The same year, Aces were in for Sam Ermolenko when he was out of British Speedway, but I think were put off by the terms. We got Eddie Ingels instead!

Bet youre fun at parties

Just trying to be friendly J never nice too have no friends, if you need to talk there will be some Edinburgh fans free.

Yeh, I know. One thread to be avoided for exactly that reason.

that's the first hour of the first lesson on the first day of business school and yet its ignored by so called 'business men' running the game

In that case you are advocating a form of ‘ rider control’ that will even out the riders over all teams? That used to take place back in the day when promoters had the welfare of the sport in mind and supporters turned up whoever was riding. Maybe is these desperate times a similar system needs to be reintroduced for the benefit of all teams - however money takes precedent now.

The question you need to ask is “Are Oxford a new trading company?” If so you can’t get visa’s for new EU riders for 12 months (Like Poole for Basso) until you have a set of trading accounts. This is apparently what hammered Newcastle last year as quoted by others. You rely on existing riders from other clubs you want to loam them out otherwise.

As you well know no one has wanted Harris for several seasons !! And the topic was not about Poles specifically but about the Premiership standard being wonderful - which any sane person knows is not as good as Extraleague, E Winner and Sweden.

His bikes retired in 2013.

Speedway racing can be the best form of entertainment. But going trackside to watch the spectacle becomes slightly samey if you don't have a dog in the race, a team in the true sense of the word or a favourite rider. How can you possibly turn up at a track and support what is often a list of seven men thrown together simply because their average fits... and the track's race day, which also allows them the to race for at least one other team? The sport has lost its characters, its personalities and, more importantly, the reason most of us tagged on in the first place - the team thing. Now it seems so much like Formula 1. If I would have wanted a sport like F1 to follow, I would have followed that. In fact, growing up, I used to get annoyed when people asked "speedway - is that Barry Sheene?" I wasn't at all interested in motorcycling, never have been. I told them it was league racing and not about individuals. Speedway was special, it was about my team, Belle Vue. It wasn't just about motorbikes. I didn't want to support one individual, as motorcycling and F1 required much of the time, I wanted to follow a team. In doing that, you got your own favourites in that team, at times not even its star man. But, now, speedway isn't anywhere near that. I see riders gaining the most from it nowadays and get the feeling they'd ride anywhere. It isn't about loyalty now. They just want a team place for next year. Maybe it's always been the case. But I genuinely think the way the sport has gone in the last two decades - an over reliance on doubling up and down, has killed off the team thing that most fans fell for. Although it's seen as being popular, the play-off system has also killed off reason to have six months of warm up matches just to get there. Then , after a few matches of higher than average crowds that the PO Finals drag from indoors (where've they been all year?), we end the season thinking the sport is in better shape than we thought.

I've just re-read the book on Tommy Jansson. An excellent, if somewhat poignant, read with many references from different sources. It's clear that many of his rivals held him in high esteem. The likes of Briggs, Mauger, Michanek, Persson, Nordin and Collins all thought that he could have reached the very top. Ivan summed it up perfectly when he was quoted as saying "...that Tommy had everything but luck!" How true.

Let me say what i do know about Laurence Rogers, Firstly I have no idea if he owes anyone any money or not, he is a Speedway Fan above all else, he lives, eats, sleeps, breathes Speedway and has done for many years, yes its true that many of his Speedway projects have fallen by the wayside Mildenhall, Newport, to name a few and he has been involved with other Teams such as Coventry and more recently Plymouth, then there was the young American touring Teams put together by Steve Evans and others. Laurence is an ordinary working guy just like you and I who has done his best to try to keep these teams going, yes primarily with other peoples money but had he not tried then the majority of these Teams would have closed down sooner rather than later, Its surely better to have tried and failed then to have not tried at all, he is always willing to give young riders help and assistance to get on in the sport, The other thing that I know about Laurence is that if I contacted him wanted some help with something to do with Speedway he would most likely never say no and that maybe that is his biggest failing if it can be called that. I agree he is probably not the finest team manager that there ever was but thats possibly more to do with budget restrictions than anything else. My final word, It would probably have been easier for Laurence to walk away from Birmingham speedway and let it be consigned to the history books than to have the hassle and ingratitude of some by trying to keep speedway in Birmingham, but NO speedway is in his blood just like you and I, agreed maybe its not his money but no-one forces these people to put money into clubs that are struggling to survive, one thing is for sure Speedway will be the poorer when he finally decides enough is enough.

He’s pretty much saved Birmingham Speedway. That’ll look good on anyones CV. Personally for doing that he deserves freedom of the City.

Adam Roynon. When he rode for Birmingham in 2009, he was obviously going to the top; he was faster than Jason Lyons, and not many were that! But then he got injured .. again and again ...

Why would anyone want to continue to work for an employer that failed to pay them?