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Thought this was a Panthers thread not Ippo...

So we've got at least three Panthers fans who claim to be in the know and they all disagree entertaining stuff!

Always amazes me when clubs say they may not be able to afford to run next year and then a few weeks later are building a potentially title winning side great that they are coming to the tapes though of course. Also not their fault but Congreve's average is farcical!

I’ll have whatever you’re on for Berwick being a very strong looking side.

Richie Worrall's Premiership scores last season riding as a HL @ No.3 for King's Lynn. Worth every bit of his 6.15 average.

Emil and Hume to Ipswich providing they can sort the legalities Panthers to line up as expected for me

One other bonus to pulling the fast one is first two league meetings are H&A against Peterborough so the other riders wont have a need to throttle back as they will be getting pumped anyway

Not sure it matters as Leicester, Oxford & Workington have all built fantastic teams & wouldn't want to change anything, while Kent have happily built a team 2.4 under the points limit, so not planning to build a title challenging team apparently? P.s that's not an insult to Kent, maybe that she team they can afford to keep the club going?

Aye Topaz ya not wrong you could tell that when Steve Lawson came second in that Chariot race wid Charlton Heston in Ben Hur... in fact am sure Steve said that's where he got the idea for the shape of the track from wid those extra wide bends... ;-) Regards THJ Beat you to it Marksman and full apology made above... and Keith told me he was only 49... that's what threw me... although he's been saying that for the last 12 years that I know... so yep big slice of humble pie.... But that's Cumbria all owa Marra when ya sister can be ya mother ya auntie and ya cousin all in one and ya grandma is a sheep... Regards THJ

I wouldn't say Ruml had a bad 2022, depends on expectations I guess. It's a pity about Ablitt but lots of other youngsters have spots and I'm sure he'll get one at some point too.

Welcome back to Poole Kyle. Local lad, hometown club, popular with the fans. Should kick ass at reserve.

Other than tongue in cheek you won't see many (any?) Glasgow fans saying that. There are definite holes you can pick at, as there are with all the sides. I don't envisage vissing to be 8.5 rider in 2019 but somewhere between 6.5 & 7 riding at 2 or 4 rather than no.1. I've said my piece on Harris and probably complin too and not convinced by either signing. It's an exciting side but not favourites for me, 7 teams with not much between them on paper and 2 weak teams beginning with B unfortunately would be my tuppence worth

Good signing and as anticipated. Won't need much dialing in for heat 2 with a lot of the new inexperienced reserves. Will hopefully also do his confidence good to beat a lot (if not most) of those guys. Just fingers crossed he can stay injury free as imo would have been as good as Howarth if not better had injuries not hindered his progress over the years.

Kyle Newman number 6

From what Danny was quoted as saying in a recent Speedway Star, I'd imagine an announcement some time this week. I'm meeting him on Friday so things may well become clearer by then!

Regardless of being an asset a rider is self employed and does not have to wait if he got fixed up there would be nothing poole could of done . the asset system is entirely for the purpose of the bond to the Bspl

It's certainly not kind but with the points reduction can fully understand that Poole having to empty one recognised H/L would seek to go for 2 much stronger reserves to try and make sure they p/up the points against a lot of weaker reserves in 2023 to compensate. Especially if Ben Cook doesn't fill the 3rd H/L spot that many anticipate (or hope) he might. Also I fully appreciate it was Nathan's first Champ season and against many stronger reserves but the stats don't lie. In 38 Champ matches he had 120 rides and achieved a CMA of 1.47 per meeting. Yes he would probably up that in 2023 against some weaker reserves but even that no guaranteed. His 12 match N/L CMA was 7.20. A number of Champ reserves for 2023 had higher N/L av last season so no guarantee he would push on so much say against a Roynon (anticipated at Poole) who had a nearly 2 point higher av and with his experience will probably score a lot more against the younger inexperienced reserves. Yes it is a shame but as said elsewhere hopefully he will pick up a slot, especially if he improves his av in the now 8 team NDL as well as getting experience in the U24 POL EXL in Poland.

Just like most other clubs, then.

I've played against James at cockermouth. I hope his team manager skills is better than his bowling

A nice 8 points from 4 rides from Zach Cook in the 3rd round of the Aussie Champ earlier today after a pointless first ride. It's good experience for him to be mixing it with the top Aussie riders and importantly getting used to riding against more experienced and quality. Also importantly giving him racing experience before the UK season towards end of March. Never expected him to score lots of points against the top guys but getting odd points here and there can only be good for his development going forward, and importantly time on the bike.

How old do ya think Kieth is... you'll be another one off his Christmas card list... Correction.... and sincere apologies you are right... Best of it is and don't tell Anthony... I would have took Anthony for the older one of the two FFS... poor old Antony eh... must have had a hard paper round... Regards THJ

If I was to guess I'd say Oxford might see how their 2 pointers start the season and if not scoring points he'd get in there.

Even if there was I think two stronger reserves is better. We all know reserves can win meetings. Looks a well balanced team to me.

It's a shame especially having had a season under his belt you'd imagine he would be one of the better 2 pointers next season. Although I'm sure with injuries etc he'll get a spot somewhere.

The Aces in Pole Postion then.. "He's one of our own".. "That Robert Lambert, he's one of our own"......

There doesn’t seem to be the transfer “window” that we had last year, just a cut off point so changes can be made whenever clubs feel like it up to that point. Because of that it’s impossible to say who will ultimately lift the pot in August/September. There probably won’t be a single club that finishes the season with the same 7 riders that started it..

The only thing that is boring are these responses!

No,,, Hume will start season on his above 4 average,,, his 25% is only for team building. So many people don't seem to be getting this

I just wonder how many more times this will have to be pointed out to people!

Can't wait to come and watch this season when I'm free . Them lads have done an amazing job.

I have him at 3.56 less 2.5% = 3.47

I realised it after the cook brothers were announced so not after Jack Thomas

Absolute joke if true. No objection to Commonwealth riders coming in to strengthen up teams, but a 4.00 Championship rider is 8.00 in the NDL. A 4.00 CL British rider would drop into NDL on 8.00. Should be the same for a foreigner. Why on earth should we be giving advantages to foreigners over our own?

Just noticed you've already made a very similar point to me, great minds think alike lol!

That's bollix quite frankly. Since Danny boy publicly said he had plans a, b, c and a "dream team" No doubt Nathan asked or his dad asked, probably told he was in some permutations but not others and as an Asset did the respectful thing and waited. Would Danny Boy have authorised a move anyway until his own team was sorted? Nathan has been shafted by Poole and the Asset system and points reduction. The only inexperience he's shown is signing for a Club that spits out riders when it suits them

If anything, I would be expecting Rew average to rise dramatically - I really rate him and think he has the potential to score big at some tracks! ….and all the master plan to lower averages to sign Batchelor, only for him to drop his average too. Please!

With no Bournemouth football match until Saturday, I wonder if we might get a reserve/s naming during this week. Bearing in mind we had the first 5 riders named in a 17 day period in December and Jan 1st I assume there is no reason why they can't announce at least one this week. Especially as most of us on the forum have an idea who they are so no work permit issues as both are Brits . I wonder if it is a work permit thing that may be holding up Plym & Brum if they are going for Aussie 4 pointers. Can't see any other reason for their delayed announcing.

Not Belle Vue's fault the rules were written out poorly!

I think Nicol would be a risk, I think we are better with stronger reserves personally.

leaderboard going into the final round. All to play for !!! Doyle 50 Jack Holder 47 Tungate 38 Fricke 36 Kurtz 34 Sedgman 31 Pickering 31 Chris Holder 30

Ha, you seem to get up in arms with Skidder's opinion quite often!

Not sure it was a ringer, Lambert was on an earned average replacing an injured rider. The doubt is whether the change should have been allowed at that stage but for the sake of the final as a spectacle I'm glad it was.

SoN Semi Final 2, Vojens, Denmark 28.07.22 https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_womble/albums/72177720305105813

I believe top 6 for playoffs, so still another two teams to add Getting my popcorn ready for when @lewy and Mike see about Plymouth being compared to Birmingham!

He was very good

He won't be in the team on 4.40. He'll be on his rolling average of 5.86. 4.40 is team building only.

A half a dozen people crying on here is irrelevant.

...however I still don't see the issue allowing ex-riders gaining free entry to the clubs they rode for using the examples of the less than dramatic influx that you implied in my earlier post on that particular subject?

All it needs is a slip trip or fall and where there is blame there is a claim... once upon a time it was your fault if you tripped over... not now... and the walk to Northside is riddled with potential trip hazards... Also no one said it was remote however it is in an isolated position in the town without easy (walking) access at present but I can see that changing in the short to medium term... but it is much better if you are in a vehicle to get to the track... Folk will need to temper their expectations as this will be a work in progress for a number of years and a multitude of factors will need to be looked at as part of the on going process... Regards THJ

Then quit complaining... I am old enough to have followed it in the 1960's, and I can assure you that: 01 - It doesn't sound the same. 02 - It doesn't smell the same. 03 - The engines aren't the same. 04 - The gleaming chrome machinery isn't the same. 05 - The clothing and protective gear isn't the same. 06 - Track locations aren't the same. 07 - Stadiums aren't the same. 08 - Track surfaces aren't the same. 09 - Track preparation isn't the same. 10 - Racing formats aren't the same. 11 - Riders' loyalty isn't the same. 12 - The team aspect isn't the same. 13 - Team riding isn't the same. 14 - Crowds aren't the same. 15 - The atmosphere isn't the same 16 - Promotion isn't the same. 17 - Press coverage isn't the same. 18 - Opportunities for riders aren't the same. 19 - People's awareness and knowledge of the sport isn't the same. 20 - The world isn't the same. But... 21 - The racing is just the same, so items 1-20 aren't important!