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The price admission is relative to the amount of interest there is in live attendances at motorsport, speedway while once a crowd pleaser has been watered down to a less promotable product, youth interest in speedway and motorcycling in general is now mostly negligible. As a youngster I rode motorcycles around the woods/fields from the age of 10, with no interest from any family members, walked across 2 fields and a wood to get to my nearest scramble track ( not MX) to watch my heroes, from the age of 16 I had a job/income and a motorcycle, that motorcycle took me to Hawkstone Park, Farleigh Castle, Tirley scrambles, Local grass tracks etc.,not seeing my first speedway match until I was in my late teens. At school there were dozens like me with old bikes being thrashed every evening and weekend, when I started my apprenticeship there were 24 of us, 2/3rds of which rode motorcycles to work. I am still hooked and past pensionable age still work with motorcycles, organise a motorcycle event 3 times a year ,sell bikes and parts. The price of entry will make little difference to the crowds at speedway, unfortunately there are so many other attractions available which are more appealing to the "yoof", we have to face it, the product just does not appeal to the majority of the public these days and entry prices will not address this.

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Crash, prang and repair.

Highly doubtful that clubs/companies can finish a season in Sept/Oct & then have their accounts completed by the time of the AGM. And frankly hard to see the relevance of clubs accounts at the promoters/league AGM.

Rained all day yesterday- track was covered but they need more time to prepare track so meeting will start at 2.30pm UK time now. No Lebedevs - Kostigovs replaces him

This has to be the desired 1-7 in my opinion if we aren’t having a big hitter

But they don't drag out the system to riders over 21, and don't "protect" heats to give them an advantage others don't get.. That is just contrived nonsense in a sporting context.. We now have "professional RS's" who year in, year out, take a slot but don't progress.. With many, "well behind", during races, which adds nothing to a speedway meeting.. Like a non league footballer playing Premier League football and not being allowed to be taken off for 70 mins.. Just use the system in the 2nd tier and let the odd " next superstar", take a place on merit if good enough to compete eg Bewley,Lambert etc.. The gap is too big currently for them between the best riders at each meeting and themselves.. Which won't help them develop, and doesn't help what's on offer entertainment wise..

It's Different times I suppose. Throughout the 70s,80s and 90's we had young talent coming through by bucketloads, but that was because we had a great feeder program called grass track. Now we have kids starting out in the youth series under Neil Vatcher. They just progress through the ranks and ride against each and because of the lack of riders compared to yesteryear, they all get a team place in the NDL. They then progress into the CL and as we have witnessed this season, even in a very low standard CL they are not good enough. How many of the riders who made their debut over the last two season in the CL would you say have a bright future? Young Luke Harrison, Killeen, Dan Thompson Look the best contenders to me. Some of the others look so far out of their depth and wlll never make it. That is not their fault. It's the system.

Just taking stock of this whole RS thing. Trying to promote young British talent is just masking the fact that the sport in this country has failed to attract interest and sponsorship on a national scale for some time. Promoting the sport does not just attract spectators but has a knock affect for potential riders wanting to take up the sport. The RS system and protected heats (in the football world would equate to not allowed to tackle this player….come on!) reflect poorly from the outside for the top tier of this professional sport. The powers that be are kidding nobody. If the No.7s aren’t up to it, they should be competing at a lower level until they are ready (if ever) to compete. I’m all for giving youth a chance in any sport, but it if this RS system continues in this format, a few riders could decide to call it a day if their confidence is continually knocked through performances due to the positions they are put in. If there aren’t enough competitive riders to go round adopt 6 man teams? I took time out from speedway after the Lions demise in the early 80’s but always look back on the young talents of that era who weren’t wrapped in cotton wool and succeeded because of their ability. Michael Lee is the best example I can think of.

Think it will be 40, certainly hope it will be. I suspect the powers that be want to delete championship to become a tiny bit better than NDL in order to make premiership look so much better. Despite the fact that championship has been the best league for many years. This deason has been a disaster fixture wise and the fact that particularly 1 club is against 2h and 2a because they run 3 teams is not good for the whole sport, let them drop their championship team or allow 2h 2a

Wherever he ends up he should be encouraged rather than vilified a young kid who clearly has talent but a raw talent. Starting a thread questioning if a young kid is dangerous is over the top.

Ben doesn't need to do Champ anymore and ending on a possible treble before you move on is good way to go imo.

Now 3.30pm UK time start

You are quite correct. The riders you mentioned have not gone on to be GP standard, but I would suggest all three ride in the hardest league in the world. Bar Bewley and Lambert, no other British rider is competing at that level. Of course you could say, " put them on a uk track and they would be pants" but the facts are they all ride in the main body of the team and don't if they are struggling get to drop back down to reserve. If they don’t perform they are then shipped off to the lower leagues. Out of interest, the Polish U24 league has a list of the top 100 riders. Young Aussie Keynan Rew is top. You have to go down to 35 Rowe, 38 Flint and 55 Giilkes https://ekstraliga.pl/en/se/classification-list/u24e/2024 So the above British riders should surely be a lot higher up that list, due to riding in our top league?

Why would Poole want a 38 point limit having been against it for the last few years?

No wonder if you're trying to put milk IN your cornflakes.

It has made their league system sustainable though which is ideally, imo, what it should all be about. They're not "reliant" on foreign imports and double up/downers... Rising Star is perhaps not the name for the system, there are many ingredients that go into making a rider a "Star" many of which can't be taught and they won't find trailing around adrift at the back of every race... it should be Rising Journeyman as these types are the life blood of any sport. Stars for bums on seats, journeyman to keep the sport sustainable.

Magic just fits: Janowski 7.02 (or Cook 6.99) Iversen 6.83 Klindt 6.59 Kvech 6.58 Lawson 6.91 Harris 6.06 Boughen 39.99 Like @Bald Blokehas mentioned before, having Magic in the side would be my preferred option as well. He would give us more top end strength for heats 13 & 15 and clearly likes the Lynn track. Got 16 from 6 rides and 14+2 from 7 rides on his two visits last season. He wouldn’t come cheap though and I’d guess Oxford would be favourites for his signature. Ben Cook would also be a decent option. Side would be 39.96 with his inclusion instead of Janowski. But his average comes from riding in the middle order, not at 1 or 5. He’d start as our No 1 which is a step up. But I do wonder if Ben might end up at Birmingham with his brother. But with either in the team (and Lawson), it should be a match for anyone at home, especially considering we saw off Sheffield, Belle Vue (albeit without Kurtz) and Leicester reasonably comfortably with a much weaker side than that. But if we don’t get Lawson and either one of Magic or Cook, that could make things tricky.

If it's a 40.00 limit then you won't get many teams better than this in the Championship if any. Two massive hitters with bags of experience plus 4 PREM reserves who've all got improvement left in them, No journeyman. 1. Masters 2. Boughen 3. Jenkins 4. Gilkes 5. Nicholls 6. Killeen 7. Scott = 39.85

But the PZM identified this as a weakness in the Polish system and they came up with the under 24 league to give additional opportunities to 22 and 23 year olds. The main problem with our system is that it applies to the wrong league.

All BSB rounds are £47 admission covering all three days plus free parking,think that's good value.

How many of the world beating polish juniors have developed into top top riders tho? They get huge sponsorship and top notch coaching and equipment early which imo gives a false perspective of ability. the polish dominance at junior goes back a long way and very few have gone on to be top Grand Prix level riders where are the likes of drabik and smektala now, cierniak didn’t set it alight last season either. And it goes way back to the likes of Robert miskowiak, karol zabik, Arthur mrozcka…

Polish speedway? We’re talking about the UK here. Adopting the Poles approach ain’t the answer if the riders are not out there. The Poles have continually produced riders who improve because they are being attracted in to the sport which appears to be well run over there. Don’t tell me that the meteoric rise of Lambert and Bewley is down to British Speedway nurturing. These are riders are where they are through ability and determination to succeed where ever opportunities arise. The nearest we have to these guys is Tom Brennan (Woffy is on the countdown now). There is a big gap after Tom for the foreseeable.

I think that is exactly why the club are going with this kind of lineup. All riders with connections to the club and/or a track record of giving UK speedway respect. After all the hassles with Musielak and Tarasenko, we need a settled side. There’s nothing you can do about injuries, but you know these riders won’t mess us around.

39 maybe....keep everyone unhappy and whinging as usual.....

Pretty dire stuff.

Wrong, Plymouth definitely voted for 40.

Danny was dead against a low limit 3 weeks back as was Mr May

Oh yeah forgot about that! In fairness though I’m just trying to think of number ones for you, if rumours are correct that kerr is off to pastures new and doubts about schlein, throw in the potential of brennan and cook dropping this league as well as Pickering then genuine heat leaders are very thin on the ground.

Don’t think Flint will be at Berwick.

40.00 Limit. 1. Lawson 2. Thomsen 3. Z. Cook 4. Rowe 5. Kerr 6. Foord 7. Cairns (When Available) = 39.57

Miskowiak leaves Gorzow, Likely destination is Grudziadz. All is not well in Gorzow.

I think we should try for Magic instead of cook, if he can be convinced

Love it seeing the USA v GB but I have to correct the history statement about being the first time for GB to race there, its not the last time was 1971 and the US won the series of three 2-1 GB team was Mauger, Briggs, Airey, Harkins, McMillan, Hunter and Gifford.....not an Englishman among them!!!!!

You’ll be lucky……..lol……….but here goes……..(2nd request)

Andy Smith was thrown in at the deep end when 16. Mark Loram, Joe Screen same age. Sink or swim. They all went on to be great riders. We had Peter Schroeck saying the other day how Jody Scott is only 17 and he must protect him!! The three above riding when the top league was a lot harder than today.

Dan can easily pick & choose his clubs, he'll be in high demand in both leagues. Joe may not have the same options & if he turns down a club could be left without a ride.

If he could bang in a few point’s I’m sure we could all absorb the shock😉

I know Pete's a German, but surely he wasn't in the S.S.

We were beating 99% of teams at home in the second half of the 2024 season with a hell of a lot worse lineup than that!! I think that team would be top four no question

Fans only doing what fans do when two of their riders have been involved in a crash caused by the same rider .

the events at poole spoilt it for the neutral fans , i can see his point . if fans need blood and gore for entertainment then the sport has gone backwards as i see it . we dont need this type of brutal raceing at any track . who was robin hood with the pretend bow and arrow ?

Joe Thompson?

I wouldn’t mind seeing Anders Rowe back at Poole. Plenty of potential. Also Dan Thompson is coming on and could be decent. We need to sign riders capable of improvement on their starting average. Both Vinnie Foord and Tobias Thomsen have done well and it would be great to get them both back. Lawson Rowe Z Cook Foord Thomsen Plus two.

So now thats : Heat 2 : 5-1 Heat 13 : 5-1 Heat 15 : 5-1 Lovely ol’ job !!!

With well over 30 meetings this year at Oxford, my initial concerns about costs and so on were disproved. We had an incredibly solid core. We're talking 700-900 every Sunday for the Chargers, 1200-1500 for the Cheetahs, and 1800-2200 for the Spires. The only real changer in the crowds this year was, without a shadow of a doubt, the weather. You'd lose hundreds off the gate if the weather looked dodgy, which lets be honest, it was throughout the whole year. What does it show? People will find a way. There is of course a saturation point, but my genuine view is that sport tickets in general haven't tracked inflation costs over the years, and indeed probably *should* cost more - not that I want to pay more of course! I can't see a £2 increase making a lot of difference at Oxford, though the question of course always has to be asked - is the extra money being brought in going to inflate riders wages, or is it going to help stabilise the clubs?

Crashfield 😂, did you come up with that yourself 👏🏻, have a wee gold star for your clever wit and banter. Why would Glasgow buy another new fence when they've already bought FIM safety Fence for the 2025 season? Back to the playground and try and pick up some better 'banter' , least be bitter and funny rather than just bitter and attention seeking.

Bumpity bump... Just gone past 2,000 today

And people say Foord is dangerous.