george.m

Pity, maybe one day he'll see the funny side.

They are brilliant aren't they. Wish I'd known of them before today.

You said in a previous post you want debate. Well where is it then? You make the same point about falling attendances with each post ad nauseum. Where is the debate in that? I've suggested to you there is more ways to measure success/failure than just attendances. But have declined to debate that. I could even suggest more ways than I have, but feel it's a waste of my time as you'll just comeback with the same argue several of us got many moons ago. Whoosh! OK let's stick with attendances then. Let's draw a comparison with football. Compared with the good old days attendances are down. Yet the sport is flourishing with more world class players in the English Premiership than ever before. There's more money slushing around in it than ever before. There's more TV coverage than ever before. Explain your logic about reduced attendances and SKY based on that. And while you're at it, explain to me why reduced crowds is an indication of failure as I've still not seen you explain that logic. BTW - Labeling a post as stupid is an indirect reference to the poster.

I agree. And remind me who used the word "stupid" first?

What a stupid reply. You are measuring attendances at how many tracks and including what TV viewing figures? No, let's ignore how to measure things accurately for the sake of sticking to a point. However, you are the marketing and market research expert so you know best. Multi-national companies and advertising agencies around the world take note and stop spending billions on research, advertising and publicity. You stupid people have been wasting your money all these years. An unqualified member of a speedway forum knows better than you ..... TV coverage is bad for sales!!! Monster Energy take note and withdraw your sponsorship of all TV speedway events now!!!!! Well I have done some research of my own. Watching the online videos of the "good old days" I see there's a lot of cloth flat caps and mackintoshes in the crowd. Going on the "Flat Cap and Mackintosh" website, they are blaming the massive decline in sales nowadays on SKY's speedway coverage. Funnily enough, I thought it was just a sign of the times. Their products just don't have the same mass market appeal. Never mind they have Sunday drivers to sell their products to. Over to you Sir Alan Sugar.

Fright? Nearly sh4t myself.

Ah right, so we're not talking factually then. More Jackanory. Sorted.

Have just gone to the Twitter account and its just a pee take. Panic over. Now to get back to enjoying ma holidays.

Please someone tell me what I'm supposed to believe! Can't imagine Stewart would be so indiscreet. Please someone tell me we are not signing Henning! My hopes are up after our first 5 signings and Edinburgh's Lidl team (sorry no offence intended Lidl). Please don't take that hope away!

Love it!

On a point of principle I'd be unhappy with that. However, come the first meeting at the Sainsbury's arena I'll have forgotten about it.

No. Just trying to establish fact and fiction. Lot of Jackanory in here.

I've always like Franc, though sometimes he can be frustratingly.He's been unbeatable sometimes at Ashfield, then a totally different rider other times. I've been trying to figure out who we could get and keep coming to the conclusion that we'll bring in an untried foreigner. Which I really don't want. It's good to have one untried with potential (and potential to sell on for £££££s), but two can be a waste of the preceding team building efforts.

Commenting on what someone has said is fine, that's what the forum is about. Putting your own spin on things or using those comments loosely to back up your own opinions is another thing. Why let the truth get in the way of a good story? Seems to me some of us have too much time on our hands at this time of year.

Where have Sky said they're disillusioned and can't be arsed?

Typical money negotiation. We don't like you. You are useless. We don't need you. Sign here please ..... "Done"

Nah. Theo comes to the club where his heart lies. Kevin prefers the Glasgow deep fried burgers to the Edinburgh grilled ones.

Full credit to the promotion for this initiative. Has to be unique in speedway, if not any sport I've heard of. Must be a first with both teams being in the same league. Of course I'm referring to the Monarchs being Glasgow's feeder club.

Time to pack up and go then, 13 pages wasted. Last person to leave put the lights out please.

i'm not behind, I knew you withdrew it. The point is you made it in the first place! But let's stay on topic shall we and not get into long winded personal discussions, there's enough of that on BSF already, let's leave that to Norris123.

That has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the points I'm making and you know that fine well! I'm talking aggregate total "viewing" numbers across the UK. And, in reference to the original point made by bellevueace, in recent times! Not individual meetings, not in the 1940s! If you want to continually be negative, pore scorn, and don't have facility of a "Dislike" button as you requested from the mods, at least keep up with the play and stay on topic. Or would that be out of character and too much to ask? Not your memory that's playing tricks! As I said, this is our Golden Years. Some of us weren't even born then so how could we have been there! Bully for you! Let us enjoy our speedway for what it is rather than put everything down!

You say TV coverage has not had an effect on crowds. If we are to take that point seriously could you show us : 1. Where you got the figures from to deduce this? I never knew speedway attendances were published. 2. Where we can see what the forecasted crowd figures without TV are so we can compare these with the actual ones? How else can we tell if TV coverage has had an effect? Not referring to you in these points below bellevueace. I cannot understand how some on here think about the general interest in speedway. You are clearly missing the point. People viewing speedway is not measured by crowd figures alone. It is an aggregate of TV audience and crowds. So in the "good old days", the viewing figure was the aggregate of all the crowd figures in week/month/season. Nowadays we need to add the TV audience to this figure. Because that is how many people are watching/interested in speedway is measured. I'm fairly confident, today's total figure is much higher than the "good old days". I'd even go as far as saying the general level of interest in speedway is higher nowadays than in the past. Shock horror! How could it not be with all the TV coverage we are now lucky to have? It seems to me the "good old days" are just a mental state of mind of forum members of a certain vintage! Well I have news for those who think the past was better. You've had your "golden years". For many of us this is our "golden years" .... our "good old days". And I for one love every minute of going to speedway, smelling it, hearing it. I love every minute of being able to watch it on two TV channels, sometimes as much as two meetings a week. So if you don't like it fine. But move over and let the rest of us who have a more positive outlook on life get to the trackside and see the action without you blocking the view and making more noise than four 500cc GM engines!

So he'll be signing then.

Maybe you could suggest something being an expert in 'dipping'.

What? Has he had a baby too?