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But if Poole get there PalmToft got 4 at Poole , while Poole reserves racked up 18 and were only beaten by Lambert and Iversen once. Pooles reserves are stronger than Kings Lynns whichever way you look at it

Great great rider that PC was you can’t say he was better than Tai because he won pairs and world team cups. Its irrelevant as Tai has had nobody at his level to compete with him like PC did. Maybe now with Lambert Tai will get other team golds

Sorry but i could never warm to Havvy but no getting away from his achievements and as i said in 1992 in my opinion only Per Jonsson was in similar form. Thats the only thing i dont get about some people..............we can all dislike certain riders thats normal...............but to say they havent achieved anyhting because of that is a tad absurd to me. Couple of people on here dont like Tai, Pedersen or Hancock but nobody can take away what they have done in the sport. Always reminds me of a friend of mine a Spurs fan.........................Sheringham was god when he was at Spurs.......moved to Man Utd and he hated him...........back to Spurs and a god again lol

Im Marks biggest fan (uncle used to sponsor him as a 15-18 year old) but i dont think he would ever have won a one off final. The vast majority were won with 14 points or more and yes the last two were both with 12 but that included Ermolenko winning his first four races before just rolling at the back in the last one not needing any points, and then Rickardsson in 1994 due to the unbeaten Nielsen being excluded (rightly) in his 4th ride or he may well have won with 14 minimum. I couldnt see Mark around 2000 stringing 5 decent rides together Im certainly no fan of Havvy but in 1992 he was certainly the most dominant rider of that year. He won the British Final Lost out in a 3 man run off for the Commenwealth Final Won the Overseas 2nd in a run off in the World Semi final 3rd in the BLRC The only rider that season who could match Havvy was Per Jonsson, so in 1992 Havvy could have won a gp series i believe. But i agree with you that neither Havvy or Loram are as good as Tai , even though i preferred the excitement that Loram provided

Ah now we have an opinion , taken your time to understand what one of those is, hence im sure you cant be an adult Ok just for you because its clear you dont have the intellect: My OPINION is that Tai has been the best British rider. As i said you can disagree with that , you can possibly make a case for 2 or 3 other riders to be declared better ( not that that will be easy) It is not even up for debate that there have been 12 better..........the fact you say there has been is trolling simple as that. You have been asked to name them, something that you have failed to do because quite simply you have tried to troll and been caught out and now cant backtrack. If you had said maybe Craven or Collins or even Lee at his peak were better than Tai then we could be having a sensible debate. I gave my list of my top ten....in my OPINION So lets hear yours

But its not about personal opinion surely? The UK has had recent world champions in Lee, Havvy and Loram who have all won one each so there can be an opinion on who was the best out of those. In a GP series i would be surprised if Havvy or Lee could have won a world title and similarly i dont think Loram would have ever won one in a one off final. Tai has won 2 world crowns and is on the verge of a third. To say he isnt in the best 12 english riders ever is just a farcical statement If you had of said i think 2 or 3 might be better then thats something for a debate. You said 12 and that is purely blinded by your dislike of Tai. Might be best if you leave the forum for adults to have a discussion

Nothing to do with being in love with Woffinden, are you like 12 or something. He quite clearly is the best or almost the best rider the UK has ever produced you have to be a tad on the slow side not to recognise that. Not a fan of Nicki Pedersen but you cannot disagree about his ability and success I guess there are just some strange individuals like yourself , who use their dislike of a rider, to somehow over shadow how good that rider actually was. Im also sure a lot of people disliked Carter but what a talent

You seem a very strange individual i must say. So please enlighten us as to what riders who are British are better than Tai? Not a hard question really

Nothing against whatever is happening in Holders personal life , he just simply isn’t right for Poole anymore ..... time for Poole to look forward not back

absolutely It would need Zmarzlik to be getting 18 or 19 points, which he has managed twice and for Tai to get less than 10 which has happened once. It should be all Tai's but an injury early on like Cook or Vaculik last night and then its open. Cant believe someone said he doesnt care. He must be confident but he needs to have his mind right so his way is to seem that what will be will be......of course he cares

Is he the most exciting? Probably not, that would be Loram or PC or Morton or Lee Is the most naturally gifted rider? Again probably not Does he work hard, train hard, mentally prepare himself the right way? 100% Does he give 100% dedication to being the best he can be? Absolutely And yes of course we can in some way use world titles as a yardstick be foolish not to. I cant stand Havvy never have done but those who say he was lucky must realise that in 1992 he was the most dominating rider of the year.......do i think he is as good as say Lee, Collins, or Loram, all one time winners then no i dont. Would the achivements of Havvy rank above Carter and Morton and Jessup then in my opinion yes they would. Who was better to watch and had more ability, Jimmy White or Steve Davis? Jimmy White did..........but Steve Davis won far more My list of the top ten english riders ive seen ride would be as follows: 1. WOFFINDEN 2. PETER COLLINS 3. MICHAEL LEE 4. MARK LORAM 5. GARY HAVELOCK 6.KENNY CARTER 7. DAVE JESSUP 8. SIMON WIGG 9. KELVIN TATUM 10. CHRIS MORTON, JOE SCREEN & SCOTT NICHOLLS (all purely on being talented motorcyclists and in Nicholls case 7 times British Champ)

No you couldn’t What a stupid statement to make.

Nope im here just not posting on the same topic

Do you know the definition at all? It means someone who posts messages to provoke and inflame. I may get argumentative with certain people but that isn’t trolling. The only people who have issues with me are 3 or 4 Poole fans and one other. A much bigger number have issues with Shovlar. That’s because he trolls , puts differing opinions to most to deliberately stoke the fire. If your unsure what a troll is then look at Shovlars comments on the Belle Vue / Mark Riss debate. Even his own Poole fans don’t like what he does. Im argumentative for sure but that’s not trolling Despite all I’ve said I still don’t believe he should have been banned

Never had an issue with Poole riders ( well except dirty Dennis) or the vast majority of their fans , but there are 1 or 2 strange ones that’s for sure.

Despite what people are saying and despite what I think of him I don’t believe he should have been banned I don’t see the point. Why shouldn’t people be called idiots or numpty if that’s how he feels..... people are to thin skinned. He does troll constantly and obviously doesn’t know the meaning of the word. He took it to far in some cases and got personal but I still don’t know if that’s why he was banned and no I didn’t report him. There are far worse people on here than Shovlar that need banning like MFF or Trumpy (see it’s recent posts for evidence, even setting up an account in Shovlars honour )

I’ve now seen both heat 13’s and in my opinion I preferred the first one.....but both cracking adverts for the sport

Banned for threatening to physically attack you lol. You have several different names on here and I’m afraid that I’ve only ever had the one but ignore it makes you feel better then keep accusing me of being Trackrat I don’t mind Now I’m not sure wether it’s bedtime or the warden needs to put the lights out but it’s time you left. For all their faults Starman and Shovlar have never set up different accounts and different usernames , they like myself are mentally stable adults. Im sure Shovlar when he returns will be proud of you for setting up an account in his name and defending him , trouble is he doesn’t think much of you and also finds you a bit strange. Now you can’t get banned for being a troll or I’m sure with your many accounts you would have been gone long ago. I have no issue with Shovlar in most respects and he went over the line to take cheap shots but yet being an adult I didn’t report him because I don’t see the need, the mods must have decided they didn’t like what he wrote. He may not have been banned for what he said about me it may be for something different. Shovlar is an adult who trolls and inflamed but at least he is a supporter of his team and not some freak behind a keyboard who is either 10 or has the same mental capacity. Nighy night

Hope Shovlar sees how good Mark Riss replacement did tonight!! Horses for courses, accusing Belle Vue of cheating....... could he have been more wrong......then again it’s what trolls do. Hope someone can load up heat 13 if possible

Starmans health was put on the forum when he was taken ill , and many times since he has commented how he is getting on. I have never mocked his health situation is the point im making

If you think people have unusual tastes then for sure a bit of mickey taking is fine. But if someone has mental issues, health issues, marriage break up, family issues or the like, then you have to be a twisted individual to find it amusing to highlight that and take the p1ss out of those people. I have no time at all for Shovlar, the man is a troll who voices differing opinions to mainly the rest of the forum just to get a rise and inflame.........................but if he had health issues or personal problems there is totally no way i would take the mickey out of those, kind of sick and weird in my mind to get pleasure out of other peoples misfortune

What i did was i was asked where i had been because i was off the forum for a month or so...............people assumed i was banned..................i merely said that my marriage was over and i had moved out and was spending time sorting stuff out and the welfare of my children. Shovlar then thinks he can start saying things now ( a year and a bit later) about my ex wife running off with other men and basically taking the mickey.........you dont do that sort of thing unless you have some sort of issue as a person.....and also to be so far away from the truth when it was me that moved out. So no maybe i shouldnt have said (a year ago) that i was seperated, but i still dont expect the rise to be taken out of a personal situation. As stated ive never got on with Starman either but the guy has had a serious illness, i wouldnt dream of making any sort of fun out of a personal situation, but i guess if it gives people their kicks then thats what they will do....................lets hope nothing ever happens to Mr Shovlar in his personal life.............and that nobody on here decides to mock him and make up lies. Anyway back to speedway...............

If someone calls me a fool or numpty i dont really care im not 5.............start digging into personal stuff like my marriage then thats an issue

Depends what the ban is for.................if its for calling people fools and numptys then its a bit of a joke. If the mods have decided its for personal attacks on me and maybe others then its justified....not that it bothered me. was great comedy value really

Other teams over the years havent pulled the stunts Poole have lol