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You gotta laugh don't you. I think Sidney forgets what he has posted from one day to the next. Bad luck trying to qualify for a world final, like Olsen in 76, PC in 78 etc is ok but if it is in a SGP round the whole thing is a joke.

No I am OK on that score. I could do with some knock off designer gear though if you do that as well

Go on then, point out some of this abuse. I can find posts from GRW and yourself which have been abusive but none containing abuse aimed at yourselves from anyone. People disagreed with him, he had a little paddy and stormed off, you think thats coming out of it very well!!!!

I agree, I always thought middle of April is soon enough to start but, as you say, Easter was a big money spinner.

Sidney you, and others, have banged on for years about how there should be this open to all qualifying that you dreamed once existed despite many people pointing out the flaws in it. You now appear to have totally changed your opinion and realise that qualifying can be a joke process. Fortunately the SGP recognises your point and builds in a facility for such eventualities and allows the likes of Ward, clearly good enough but failed to qualify, to take a place in the series. Or is it just qualifiers for the SGP that are a joke, if it had happened in an old Inter Continental Final it would be fine

They both certainly have the potential but neither of them are world class, or anywhere near it yet. When you compete against and regularly beat the very best riders in the GPs, the Polish League and the Swedish League then yo can be considered world class. You are confusing potential with actual ability

It is how it used to be, a team 6 behind had the choice of gates

Indeed so

Correct, you are getting it now. In the days of big average heat leaders there were plenty of 2 and 3 point lower riders, much more than now. Like I said it doesn't matter who the riders are the mean average will always tend around 6. For every 10 point man there is a two point man Instead of repeating the same garbage have a read through the thread and see the points being made

Yes wouldn't disagee with you on that one.Replace "purely" with "generally"

Somehow though people seem to think the achievement are being denigrated by the points being made, they are not. I dont know why it is so difficult to understand in all honesty. Under the old 13 heat format it was possible for the two number ones to score 11 and 12 points respectively. That is "fact" rather than opinion surely. Now with the current format at least 3 points will be dropped between them. That is fact also. Without any other factors that means an average of 11.5 then is the equivalent of 10.8 now. Throw in various other factors and it reduces it more. That is the point being made, not that John Louis was no good, or Chris Morton or any other rider of the era, simply that mathematics dictate they would lose 1.5 to 2 points on there 1970s average if todays formats were applied. Equally your (and mine and everyone else's) perception of how good a rider is (or was) is based purely on the points he scored and the average he attained because of it so we assume Morton was better than Harris (he was in my opinion, miles better ) or Mauger better than Holder etc.

Are you being serious? "Unprecedented at the time" If I was referring to Peter Collins being the first Brit to win a world final in Poland I could use that term as the achievement has been equalled since. It is totally wrong in the context you used it. And you say you have a degree in English, were they that easy to get back then that someone with no grasp of written English could get one

Has the point that is being made got lost on you Sidney? Maybe one day it will click and you will feel such a fool. Until that day you will have to suffice with everyone else thinking your'e a fool

What about Premier Sports. I thought it was on there

Thats all well and good mate but on this one your view is that 2 + 2 = 5. Bwitcher is simply pointing out that it is 4, its not his opinion, he isn't trying to brainwash anyone, he is merely stating a fact. As for him having got round to agreeing with GRW, he has maintained all through this thread, and others, that the Elite League isn't as strong nowadays, its just that GRW was out of his depth in the debate and went on the schoolkid approach of trying to turn things around

Is it not on SKY? Someone needs to e mail them and find out what is happening. I have my video set on ITV 4

The difference with a GP round though is that no matter how your first/second/third/fourth rides have gone a rider will still be busting a gut in his fifth because of the nature of the competition. In other words a rider is racing three opponents in every race of every round. In meetings like the BLRC (or world finals for that matter) once the chance to win had gone a rider would be less motivated to race hard meaning the front runners had potentially easier opposition included in their later heats

More that he confuses bullsh!t with reasoned debate

I know you do Ian, we have been here before have we not?

Your'e a legend Sidney, did you type all that with a straight face

It would never be half an hour. 5 mins per race is reasonable so there is no reason for the whole nights racing to take more than 75 mins. Throw in a worthwhile interval and the whole show should be 90 mins

A team should be allowed a "time out" to be used once and once only during the match whereby in the case of a restart a rider can indicate that he wishes for an additional two minutes and the pit gate will be opened and the four riders use the time as they wish. Once a team has used the option then the pit gate remains shut to them in the case of any further re starts. Should a race be re started twice then the additional two minutes and pits access will be granted to all four competitors. Of course in the case of a fall then the time should be at the refs discretion

Looks rather like a 30 second video to me

Are you on a mission to look foolish today?. Is it something to do with Comic Relief?

So you will agree then that no matter who the riders the mean average of everyone in the league will always be around 6. Equally for every rider who averages 8 another will be on 4, for someone on 9 there will be a 3 point rider. The individual averages can be heavily influenced by various factors i.e fixed gate positions, race format and in particular heat 15. One of a teams top two is now guaranteed to drop 3, 4 or even 5 points in a match making 10 plus averages nearly impossible. It isn't that the riders are inferior to their 11 plus average counterparts of yesteryear, basic maths dictate those kind of averages cant be posted. The Elite League is not the high standard it was, no one denies that but averages dont prove the point