Barrow Boy 2

Common sense prevails.

The rules are what need looking at. Morris, Cook, Masters & Schlein's BPL averages multiplied by 1.3 puts them all above 10 for BCL purposes which ought to prevent them from competing at an easier level but if they are allowed to do so then the likes of Nicholls should be allowed to do so as well who has no real BPL average but whose BPL average multiplied by 3 is lower than any of the afore mentioned.

Nick Morris was presumably allowed to ride in the 2nd Division last season because his lowish 2016 average for Swindon when multiplied by 1.2 put him lower than the other top riders in Division 2. Now having achieved a proper Div 2 average with Berwick and still being below the likes of Cook he is still allowed to ride. In 2017 his Swindon average when multiplied by 1.3 is now 11.33 which presumably would prevent him dropping down this season but because he did it last season the rules allow it. Very shrewd business by Lakeside but I would think the powers that be might be looking to prevent this happening in the future. Would say Scott Nicholls be allowed to drop down also on a converted average of 9.72.

Scott's 2017 average was 7.48 therefore by multiplying this by 1.2 he would presumably have a BCL starting average of 8.98

All these 3 averaged below 8

Totally agree.

Chris Holder is still a GP rider who averaged less than 8 in 2017. Will his average be increased if he rides in 2018?

If Chris Holder lines up for someone he will do so on an average of less than 8. I do not think there is much between him and MV.

I've suggested something like this in the past and still think it is worth considering.

Danny King's best average was in 2012 when he averaged 7.47 to be ranked 20 in the league. In 2016 he finished up with an average of 7.22 a ranking of 9. Last season he had a difficult start to the season on a home track which he has never been completely happy on but he improved to average 6.66 and be ranked 25. He was incidentally Leicester's highest averaging rider on away tracks.

I am not missing the point. I fully understand what is being considered. I was just trying to explain to a previous poster that there should be no fixture clashes even if a current BCL Thursday night team still wanted to keep their race night. As you have pointed out though this may not be allowed anyway.

But If the chosen nights for BPL teams are Monday & Thursday then such as Leicester will presumably ride on Mondays so as to avoid Sheffield riding on Thursdays.

I thought that the BCL teams were going to race on separate nights to those chosen by the BPL teams therefore avoiding the BPL teams having to use guests for their missing BCL loanees. If this proves to be so then such as Leicester can still use the likes of KIng, Bjerre & Bates can they not?

My Top 20 Riders That Ended The Season For My Final List Were As Follows:- 01 (01) Dan Bewley-Belle Vue-1180 02 (09) Steve Boxall-Plymouth-1080 03 (04) Tom Perry-Cradley Heath-1060 04 (05) Liam Carr-Birmingham-1050 05 (08) Matt Williamson-Buxton-1045 06 (02) Ben Morley-Lakeside-1040 07 (---) Richard Hall-Cradley Heath-1000 08 (07) Jack Smith-Belle Vue-990 09 (03) Max Clegg-Buxton-985 10 (17) Mitchell Davey-Stoke-980 11 (11) Tom Bacon-Birmingham-970 12 (18) Connor Mountain-Mildenhall-965 13 (---) Georgie Wood-Eastbourne-960 14 (14) Jack Parkinson Blackburn-Birmingham-950 15 (12) Ben Hopwood-Kent-945 16 (06) Luke Bowen-Kent-940 17 (---) Rob Shuttleworth-Belle Vue-930 18 (15) Josh Bailey-Eastbourne-925 19 (---) Kyle Bickley-Belle Vue-920 20 (---) Ben Wilson-Isle Of Wight-915

My Top 20 Riders On Current Form In My Final List For 2017 Are As Follows:- 01 (02) Nick Morris-Berwick-1070 02 (01) Craig Cook-Workington-1065 03 (13) Robert Lambert-Newcastle-1060 04 (07) Chris Harris-Peterborough-1040 05 (05) Ben Barker-Redcar-1035 06 (03) Rory Schlein-Ipswich-1030 07 (16) Steve Worrall-Newcastle-1020 08 (09) Cameron Heeps-Ipswich-1010 09 (04) Richard Lawson-Glasgow-1000 10 (08) Kyle Howarth-Sheffield-995 11 (20) Ulrich Ostergaard-Peterborough-990 12 (06) Ricky Wells-Edinburgh-980 13 (11) Eric Riss-Edinburgh-970 14 (12) Jake Allen-Scunthorpe-960 15 (10) Jack Holder-Peterborough-940 16 (14) Richie Worrall-Glasgow-930 17 (---) Danny KIng-Ipswich-925 18 (15) Lasse Bjerre-Sheffield-890 19 (---) Charles Wright-Redcar-860 20 (---) Paul Starke-Peterborough-850

This is my final list of my top 20 riders on current form at the end of the season. Not included are riders who got injured in September and did not ride at all during October. 01 (02) Craig Cooke-Belle Vue-1030 02 (06) Jason Doyle-Swindon-995 03 (03) Nick Morris-Swindon-990 04 (05) Rory Schlein-Wolves-980 05 (07) Chris Harris-Rye House-960 06 (08) Hans Andersen-Poole-950 07 (12) Ricky Wells-Rye House-920 08 (19) Sam Masters-Wolves-915 09 (09) Danny King-Leicester-910 10 (10) Brady Kurtz-Poole-905 11 (14) Kenneth Bjerre-Belle Vue-900 12 (13) Krzysztof Kasprzak-Rye House-890 13 (15) Rohan Tungate-Belle Vue-850 14 (16) Lasse Bjerre-Leicester-845 15 (17) Max Fricke-Belle Vue-840 16 (20) Eric Riss-Leicester-820 17 (---) Ben Barker-Rye House-815 18 (---) Richard Lawson-Somerset-810 19 (---) Robert Lambert-King's Lynn-800 20 (18) Steve Worrall-Belle Vue-790

They usually pick the 9th & 10th riders so that brings in Vaculik & Holder. I would also invite Hancock to return if he is able and willing to continue because he scored 45 points from 6 GPs which equates to 90 if he had ridden in all 12 which is more than Holder. My 4th wild card would then be Lebedevs.

I should just like to congratulate Jason Doyle on not only becoming World Champion but also in the manner of his attitude after doing so. Usually after achieving the ultimate accolade riders don't have the desire to continue and just trail around like novices to fulfill their rides. Even the mighty Jason Crump and Greg Hancock eased back after winning their crowns. I was very impressed this time however and again many congratulations to a former Leicester Lion.

Thank you

Please could you explain to me how Scott Nicholls was allowed to guest at Ipswich when Josh's CL average is 9.54 and Scott's PL average is 7.58. What conversion was used? Is it no longer the +60% which would have made Scott's converted average 11.88.

My top 20 riders on current form are now as follows:- 01 (01) Dan Bewley-Belle Vue-1190 02 (02) Ben Morley-Lakeside-1090 03-(03) Max Clegg-Buxton-1080 04 (05) Tom Perry-Birmingham-1075 05 (11) Liam Carr-Birmingham-1060 06 (04) Luke Bowen-Kent-1040 07 (07) Jack Smith-Belle Vue-1020 08 (08) Matt Williamson-Buxton-1010 09 (18) Steve Boxall-Plymouth-1005 10 (12) Danny Ayres-Cradley-1000 11 (14) Tom Bacon-Birmingham-970 12 (15) Ben Hopwood-Kent-965 13 (09) Paul Hurry-Lakeside-960 14 (16) Jack Parker Blackburn-Birmingham-950 15 (---) Josh Bailey-Eastbourne-940 16 (10) Connor Mountain-Mildenhall-930 17 (13) Mitchell Davey-Stoke-925 18 (20) Adam Roynon-Plymouth-920 19 (---) Ben Wilson-Isle Of Wight-910 20 (19) Alfie Bowtell-Lakeside-900

My top 20 riders on current form are now as follows:- 01 (03) Craig Cook-Workington-1110 02 (06) Nick Morris-Berwick-1070 03 (08) Rory Schlein-Ipswich-1030 04 (16) Richard Lawson-Glasgow-1020 05 (05) Ben Barker-Redcar-1015 06 (07) Ricky Wells- Edinburgh-1010 07 (09) Chris Harris-Peterborough-1000 08 (01) Kyle Howarth-Sheffield-995 09 (17) Cameron Heeps-Ipswich-990 10 (12) Jack Holder-Peterborough-985 11 (---) Eric Riss-Edinburgh-960 12 (---) Jake Allen-Scunthorpe-957 13 (13) Robert Lambert-Newcastle-955 14 (15) Richie Worrall-Glasgow-950 15 (10) Lasse Bjerre-Sheffield-945 16 (14) Steve Worrall-Newcastle-930 17 (19) Stuart Robson-Newcastle-900 18 (20) Josh Auty-Scunthorpe-895 19 (02) Josh Grajczonek-Sheffield-890 20 (18) Ulrich Ostergaard-Peterborough-860

My top 20 riders on current form are now as follows:- 01 (02) Freddie Lindgren-Wolves-1120 02 (05) Craig Cook-Belle Vue-1040 03 (03) Nick Morris-Swindon-1030 04 (04) Jacob Thorsell-Wolves-1025 05 (18) Rory Schlein-Wolves-1020 06 (01) Jason Doyle-Swindon-990 07 (06) Chris Harris-Rye House-985 08 (13) Hans Anderson-Poole-950 09 (08) Danny KIng-Leicester-910 10 (16) Brady Kurtz-Poole-908 11 (10) Scott Nicholls-Rye House-905 12 (---) Ricky Wells-Rye House-900 13 (---) Krzysztof Kasprzak-Rye House-890 14 (15) Kenneth Bjerre-Belle Vue-870 15 (12) Rohan Tungate-Belle Vue-865 16 (17) Lasse Bjerre-Leicester-850 17 (---) Max Fricke-Belle Vue-840 18 (09) Steve Worrall-Belle Vue-830 19 (14) Sam Masters-Wolves-825 20 (20) Eric Riss-Leicester-820

They usually wild card 9 & 10 don't they?

I think Greg Hancock was well behind at the time of his injury.