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If they could get rid of Sedgmen for a better seven pointer they could be a useful side problem is I can't really think who to swap him out for.

Plus Gusts who should have been a trump card either under performed or was another who was missing half the time.

Do the big gun's take part in this or not ?

More than they did last year no doubt.

i think running on a night that suits the fans not the riders has been a big driver of their success.

If true adds to the dark picture best track in the UK and two of the best riders in the world plying their craft there.

He's at three, Nicki Pederson at 1 getting ready for that first corner move then feet up for rest of the season

I thought it was Bastian Pederson that won the SGP3 not Villads ?

Its just the old heat 13 and 15 issue as no big hitter but if its a watered down league and the rest only have one big hitter they might get away with it.

Agreed White Knight I don't like putting boot into promoters as most must be losing money to different degrees every single year . You look at this year and think god help them if no tv deal, some top men leaving, whoever the lamb is at Northampton being served up to save the top league and seeming these people have no idea of business plan costs for Northampton already and looking to run at Oxford for the first year. I forsee a situation where they will most likely chuck it in after one year at Oxford and realise they are on a hiding to nothing and not bother with Northampton in 2027 and hopefully haven't bankrupted themselves in the process. We are probably beyond the point of saving now sadly its just gone to far certainly in the top league bar Harry somehow getting the arabs involved or he can talk Amazon into doing a program like "Clarkeson's speedway track"

Hi Ouch out of all of the above what did you find worked best ?

I wish them all the best but if its true "they didn't realise the cost" with everything looking stacked against it already that quote along makes me turn white. Then to race at another track under a different guise to the home team (other than Cradley at Wolves) I don't think has ever worked. I really hope they can make a go of it but I think you would need a team of a modern day John Berry as promotor, Russell Lanning heading promotions and Tolley to underwrite it all writing cheques out for 100k with a smile on his face.

Agreed certainly for home meetings Tungate would be a great signing for the aces.

If they could get Janowski motivated that would be a great side at home at least.

Fair point as you say if you could get them you would want all three for sure even given one will have to start at the difficult number two berth, I really rate Bailey and if the league is a bit weaker next year that will help and theres always the chance he could come in and have a Darcy Ward like first season.

I should really know this as was my peak interest years but flip side 41 years ago now jeez, Hans Nielson on the bike, Wiggy far right, Mel Taylor next to Wiggy, Nigel DeAth, Mervyn Cox, Alastair Stevens not sure on the final rider and can't remember the team manager although think it was Bernard Crapper who was promoter.

I can't see the logic in running a prem team at an existing club under a different name, it just strikes me as more desperation to get the numbers up in the top league, I just hope whoever is taking this on has uber deep pockets as sadly I fear they are going to need bucket loads of cash to burn, would love to be proved wrong and its a success.

Credit to Louis but it equally helps that he has a wealthy sponsor who's a massive speedway fan.

I was trying to hold out a slim bit of hope White Knight.

On a scale of 1-10 how would you rate the chances of any deal getting over the line Flagrag ? 1 being near zero

Its difficult isn't it Mike I do feel bad putting the boot into promoters when you have the likes of Tolley doing six figures plus, but running on Mon,Tues or Wed you are on a hiding to nothing before you begin in my opinion, I keep harping on about it but Plymouth are showing what can be done when you run on a night that the public not the riders want. Appreciate the flip side is if you took this approach in the prem currently you might as well close down as half the riders wouldn't ride here but longer term I do think stripping back to riders committed to UK starting at Championship standard and trying to build back up is the way to go. At the current rate I can't see the top league lasting more than another 2-3 years particularly if no tv deals means weaker teams and higher prices , meeting same team 3-4 times at home per season rinse and repeat.

Sadly I think your right Ian credit to the fellas who are running the clubs to keep going as they must mostly be losing fortunes, but I fear its more of the same coming, a lower points limit, some top men leaving and prices going up.

Can you imagine explaining that to a newcomer

My god no wonder nobody makes any money running the sport if you have 5-6 point riders on 3k per match, it did seem at times that the Oxford team were going through the motions with 3k guarantees for mid ability riders its not surprising.

Hopefully your wrong on number four, only other worry is Bailey starting at number two with what I have seen of him the lad has it all and should be the next long term Aussie big thing but hard to start at two even when a massive talent.