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Jesus, it's never any different with the cheating scumbags from the South Coast. You seem to attract this kind of thing even when you're not knowingly being dodgy. Is there something in the water or is it, like I'm hoping just the scummy speedway club it effects in the area? Whilst British speedway fans know anything you've "won" over the last decade has been due to extremely questionable tactics your infamy is spreading outside speedway circles. I travel all over and mention speedway quite often. People reference Ivan Mauger, Belle Vue or Peter Collins but now if Poole come up their cheating is mentioned. If the Darcy's ban makes the papers people will say he's attached to the cheats at Poole. I know a few of you like Ford and can turn a blind eye to cheating in the quest for honours but the Pirates have been around for years and will hopefully carry on long after Ford has gone but you will be saddled with the "cheating scumbags" tag for a long time to come, which is a shame for you and speedway as a whole. Grim times.

I've often wondered over the decades why they didn't have a rule to stop riders using spades to take dirt from another gate position and then use it whilst preparing their starting gate. In a lot of respects the rule book is far too sparse and needs padding out to take into account things like this before they happen.

Can see Holder having low scores during the early season fillers. He averaged six point something last year but rolling averages saw his average stay high. The more good scores drop off the end then the lower his average will fall. It makes no odds early season as you only need finish half way to win the league. Sure it cheats the fans but hey it's Poole so get use to it. Expect them to bolster their team at the business end of the season. Poole to win and thus join that illustrious group along with Wimbledon, Cradley and Bradford. Other play off teams baring injury are Coventry, Kings Lynn and The Aces.

I blame agents!

I think that's just for Belle Vue.

Jason Lyons

It's fine that you stopped going due to the play offs as due to their incredible popularity we've seen loads of fans replace you.

Got my beers in for a night infront of the tele to watch the end of the second most important EL contest. Three TV matches in six days, that we wouldn't have had without the play offs. The interest and popularity in these matches is there for all the nay sayers to see. Fools. Add in the wrestling that's also on over the six days, well, it doesn't get any better than this.

You could almost envisage a situation where we are the only track running. It's happened before and we will always put on top level speedway for the British fans. Once again we can lead the sport in this country towards better times and with the famous training school back up and running we can start producing FIM gold medalist once again plus quality league riders for the rest of the country to use. I really believe we can have three or more ex Colts in the GP without having to resort to qualification hand outs, just as we did several years ago. I can't wait.

Jeremy Kyle.

Even with all the negative comments on this thread my only concern from day one was that the rest of British speedway wouldn't have the drive and vision to move the sport forward as The Aces are doing. I hope with things finally falling into place with this fabulous project The Aces promotion can turn their attention to British Speedway as a whole. It would however require other promotions to be equal to the task and meet of surpass the criterior set for them. I think it can be done wiiith the right mentality but it will certainly provide The Aces with another set of hurdles to overcome. Join us, the futures bright.

Dinosaur. Anybody who cannot see the merits of a system that ensures a nail biting, to the wire end of a tournament is out of touch with modern day speedway. ELRC, British Final, etc, etc, geddit? If your struggling with my proposed inventive scoring in heat 15 then to make it simpler we can have a winner takes all heat 16. Tagging something extra on to the end of a contest is the way to go and mearly builds and the successful thinking used in the play offs. We need to move this method into other areas of the sport and reap the rewards. Always look to be moving forward not backwards. Having said that the old method of determining the World Champion had a winner takes all final seeing Jersey shezsomebody and pop star Egon Muller claim the title. Perhaps the GP series could learn a thing or two as they still adopt the lame method of accumulated scores over a season to find a "winner". Boring. Anyway can't stop as iI'm off to the Town Hall for the wrestling.

Yawn, DAC. We know you don't like the play offs. Why don't you just go away? We use to have pages and pages of wingers like you when the play offs were first introduced but thankfully only a tiny percentage of the dinosaurs bothered putting fingers to keyboard. They've gone now and it's pretty much just down to you. Why hang about having a moan, just go like all the rest have. If you bring other family members to meetings, then take them with you. I get the same thing from the lads at work about being a fan of wrestling. Pretty much every bout goes right down to the wire and the excitement is every bit as good as the play off run in. Being a fan of the play off system I've badgered the powers that be to adopt a system that saw ever match decided at the business end. You basically multiply the loosing teams score in heat 15 by 2,3,4 or what ever it mathematically needs for them to potential win resulting in all meeting ending in last heat deciders. A dinosaur like you would winge about riders not trying in the earlier heats, blah blah blah. Every match being a last heat decider would bring the crowds in. The Aces would have "won" the match on Monday against the Bees if such a system was in place and this would have seen them leave the stadium happy and eager to return for the next fixture, probably with friends in tow. It would give the wrestling a run for its money in terms of shear excitement but I'm sure you'll bang on about it not being cricket old sport. Well it's not 'cause cricket is boring, just like you.

Sunday 3hr Training Monday 2hr Training Tuesday 2hr Training Wednesday 4.5hr NL match Thursday Rest Friday 4.5hr EL Match Saturday 4.5hr BSPA/FIM event

It's about 2.5 miles or an hours walk. I think they will have free buses like the current free Metroshuttles as they will want punters spending in the city centre. Overflow car parking would be by arrangement with the absolutely massive Showcase cinema across the road.

Don't forget to add Eddie Smith, Chief Executive of the New East Manchester regeneration framework, to the list. He said back in 2011 The more realistic time scale is to start the work is spring next year. If it begins in March we would need to be running a speedway meeting by September. I am confident a six-month building plan can be delivered. These are the people Belle Vue are getting their information from that they then pass on. I imagine they are even more frustrated than us fans being stuck in the middle. Six month build plan?

Yes but we didn't know about it 'till years later. Only those involved and Arthur Cross have been in from the get go.

The point I'm making was that Arthur Cross has been watching this process for seven years and not the three oops sorry four years that the rest of us have been aware of it. He must be in the know to be aware of it years before the rest of us. The fact the Aces have been working on it for seven years only became known retrospectively with only a few like Mr Cross being in the know prior to the MEN press release.

I think Authur Cross must be in the know as he had been aware of this project for seven years yet the news only entered the public domain three years ago. The Aces held an event at Gorton Monastry in August 2011 where us not already in the know were given details on the project.

Fair play to them for the press release as getting team information out if some can be a chore. Whenever anything changes no matter how small they keep us informed and that's to be commended. The Ian Thomas type spin can be a bit much for us fans in the know but similar to Kelvin and Nigel's assertions that we're watching great speedway when we know it isn't you have to remember it's also about gathering enthusiasm outside the speedway community. Well done.

More good news along this tortuously tough road. I don't know how they have the patience but fair play to them on continuing to see it through. Maybe when it's done they could set up a task force to get other tracks built. This is the biggest UK speedway development since, well since Hyde Road and being wrapped in the sports village makes it even more complicated to sort. If they can use their expertise on developing speedway stadium to some of the ex teams struggling to find new homes then it's win win for all concerned. Well done.

Be nice to see him back and fit. Don't think The Aces would track him as I can't see his average bring reduced if we wanted to use him.

How much do you reckon we pay in rent now? We currently get nothing from the bars and food outlets and can make no money from functions or other stadium uses.

Got to feel sorry for Cook for falling for Barkers usual verbal abuse. I must say I wouldn't put up with it and if I got fined £300 for standing up for myself I might lose it, especially if I'd just finish riding a bike with no breaks at 70 mph, adrenaline rush and all. The Aces connection wouldn't have helped as I've seen riders argue with the ref on Sky and smash up track property (usually the 'phone) but not been ejected from the meeting. Was he wearing his Aces kevlars by chance?

Was he thrown out whilst still on the floor? The ref needs to realise Craig is representing Edinburgh and not Belle Vue. Getting sick of this.