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So Tough What Order For These Brits.?
lucifer sam replied to Sidney the robin's topic in Years Gone By
1. Simmo 2. Louis 3. Wilson 4. Boocock 5. Ashby All the best Rob -
But I trust you didn't go in the 60s/70s due to tactical substitutes? Unless, of course, TRs are not the only reason you currently largely chose not to attend speedway? All the best Rob
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OK, fair enough. In which case, you've been genuinely unlucky. I do consider it as the best racetrack in the country - with Peterborough, the new Belle Vue and Somerset not far behind. It's how I've found myself connected with the club. PS Decent vantage points at the EWR. Either the open terracing to the side of the ref's box. Or try the viewing outside the new clubhouse. Watched a few races from up there with Paulco on Sunday. You get a really nice view of the first/second bend. All the best Rob
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Sid, he's winding you up. Scunthorpe v Glasgow clashes, on the whole, have been superb. The only one I can remember that has been anything less than excellent was last year's, the day after Cardiff, when the track dried out. But even that had a blockbuster Heat 13 and 15, including Josh Auty moving from last to first in a space of a bend. It's largely thanks to a truly brilliant clash between Scunthorpe and Glasgow in 2009 that hooked me on the superb racing at the EWR and why I travel up from Oxford most weeks. All the best Rob
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It did always seem to kick off at Cowley rather than Blunsdon!! Mind you, at Cowley, we did have dear old Kojak winding up the Swindon fans. All the best Rob That was still on track, though (although not on a bike). Off track, Stefan Andersson and Martin Dugard were pals, weren't they? All the best Rob
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Carried on for a few seasons, that one. Martin Dugard was rather ruthless on track - nice bloke off it. All the best Rob
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Technically nobody was called anything in 1928, since there was individual racing only. However, it was the same speedway club who ran at Kirky Lane in 1928 and then moved to Hyde Road in 1929. The 1st season of operation was 1928; the 90th season is 2017. All the best Rob
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Who Were The Real American Pioneers?
lucifer sam replied to Sidney the robin's topic in Years Gone By
Thanks. Just been reading up on the history and the original 'killer' surface. All the best Rob -
Who Were The Real American Pioneers?
lucifer sam replied to Sidney the robin's topic in Years Gone By
Thanks Norbold and Iris. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Indianapolis was never a dirt track, was it? Whereas a few years later, Johns was riding dirt tracks? All the best Rob -
In exactly the way I described. Grachan, where is your maths degree from? Mine's from Warwick. All the best Rob
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Grachan, I am correct. Heat 15 will nearly always include riders who have averaged above 6.00 between them entering Heat 15. Therefore, Heat 15 has a overall net effect of reducing their averages. That's clear to anyone with a basic understanding in maths. Of course, there's over factors as well - R/R, reserves taking additional riders, etc. But the equilibrium over a number of meetings will be very close to 41.5. All the best Rob
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To work out the equilibrium, we need to consider the following. The top riders are always likely to go out in Heat 15. This is an ‘average’ drawn meeting. Team A scorers before Heat 15: 10,8,8,6,4,4,2 Team B scorers before Heat 15: 10,8,8,6,4,4,2 Heat 15 features riders who had previously scored 10,10,8,8 – 36 points from 16 rides – an average of 9.00. After heat 15, they have scored 42 points from 20 rides –an average of 8.40. So Heat 15 takes around 0.5 away from averages. Therefore the equilibrium is approximately 41.50. That’s taken me 5 minutes to work out. All the best Rob
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Who Were The Real American Pioneers?
lucifer sam replied to Sidney the robin's topic in Years Gone By
Norbold, there's been the occasional claim that speedway started in the USA as early as c.1907. Did these claims prove to be false? All the best Rob -
What Went Wrong?
lucifer sam replied to cowboy cookie returns?'s topic in Speedway News and Discussions
It's around the 70,000 mark for the majority of the latter finals. I think 1978 was the largest - that was not far from capacity. I'm trying to recall where the article about it was... It was quite interesting that only four post-war finals (1949-1952) were complete sell-outs. All the best Rob -
What Went Wrong?
lucifer sam replied to cowboy cookie returns?'s topic in Speedway News and Discussions
There were actually around 70,000 of us at Wembley in 1981 - it wasn't a sell-out. Certainly not 93,500 - that was above the capacity of the stadium at the time No final after 1952 was a complete sell-out. But yes, the sport has shifted back a couple of gears since 1981. All the best Rob -
Joe and Tom Owen in a good amount of matches in the '75 and '76 seasons. They finished No 1 and 2 in the NL averages in both seasons. Also, the Williams brothers (Freddie and Eric) would have done it a few times at Wembley. And Peter and Les Collins at Belle Vue between 1977 and 1979. But the record would be owned by the Owen brothers. All the best Rob
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SCORPIONS EAGER TO GET OFF THE MARK ROB GODFREY, promoter of the Henderson Insurance Scunthorpe Scorpions, realises the importance of the club getting off the mark in their two SGB Championship meetings this weekend. Scunthorpe travel north of the border for the second time this season at Edinburgh tonight (Friday), before entertaining Glasgow Tigers in the big match at the Eddie Wright Raceway on Sunday evening (5.30pm). Scorpions have, to date, suffered three defeats in 2017. While much encouragement was taken from the away performances at Peterborough and Glasgow, with Scorpions just missing out on points on both occasions, last week’s 44-46 home defeat to Peterborough was a big disappointment. Godfrey says: “We need some points on the board in the SGB Championship; it’s as simple as that. “We’ve already lost ground by losing at home to Peterborough last Sunday. I can’t state how disappointed I was by that result. “Sport is all about fine margins. Had we scored just two more points, we’d have all gone home happy, but that didn’t happen. “That’s now water under the bridge. There’s nothing we can do about it now, other than concentrating on this weekend’s fixtures. “The ideal reaction that I’d love to see is for us to go to Edinburgh and take the win, just as Peterborough did at our place. That would put us back where we need to be. “Sunday’s home meeting against Glasgow is also a very important meeting to us. “We held the Tigers for most of the meeting up there last week, so we should have the belief that we can defeat them around the Eddie Wright Raceway.” There are 24 heats of action in total on Sunday, with a nine-race second half including a six-heat Midland Development League challenge match between Scunthorpe and Carmarthen. Admission prices for Sunday: Adult: £15.00 Student/OAP: £13.00 Child (10 – 17): £5.00 Child (0 – 9) Free (accompanied by paying adult) Family Ticket £35 (2 adults, 2 Children 10-17) Match Programme: £1.00 Expected teams for Sunday: Henderson Insurance Scunthorpe Scorpions: 1. Ryan Douglas, 2. Carl Wilkinson, 3. Lewis Kerr, 4. Michael Palm Toft, 5. Josh Auty, 6. Fritz Wallner, 7. Josh Bailey. Glasgow Tigers: 1. Aaron Summers, 2. Dan Bewley, 3. Richie Worrall, 4. Nike Lunna, 5. Richard Lawson, 6. Tom Perry, 7. Jack Smith. Midland Development League teams: Scunthorpe Stags: 1. Sam Chapman, 2. Lloyd Ditchburn, 3. Luke Whitehead, 4. Sheldon Davies. Carmarthen Dragons: 1. Russell Barnett, 2. Danny Wright, 3. Connor Fletcher, 4. Joe Alcock.
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Then how come KL advertise a start-time of 7.30pm and not 7.45pm? Surely "start-time" is when the racing starts? If you go-along to a football match (not often that I do... dull sport) and the start-time is 3pm, then it starts at 3pm not 3.15pm. These little professional touches make a big difference. All the best Rob
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It would be interesting to see if crowds picked up in the latter part of the 1964 season, as Cheetahs homed in on the treble. But the combination of an all-powerful team and low (compared to other tracks) crowds probably explains why the promoters at Oxford that season were one-season wonders and were never seen again, and left between them a trail of debt. Danny Dunton (promoter at Oxford 1965-1975) once said it took him years after that to re-establish goodwill with local businesses, since Rycroft and Melville had left so many bills unpaid. In contrast, crowds at Oxford in 1984, 1985 and 1986 were good compared to other tracks, and that’s why that period of success was more sustainable and carried on throughout the late 1980s. Mind you, as good as Arne Pander and Ron How had been, we’d never quite had a rider before like Hans Nielsen, a genuine contender for World Champion each and every season, while Simon Wigg was pure box office. Nielsen, Wiggy, the rest of a highly-competitive side (my favourites were Cocker and Rambo), a newly reshaped track which allowed far better racing around Sandy Lane, plus good promotion and presentation added up to a winning combination in getting the fans through the turnstiles. Maybe several aspects of that were missing in 1964. I believe the crowds in the early-to-mid 70s at Cowley were very healthy, far better than 1964, despite the fact the team was nothing to write home about. I'm sure Steve Roberts can add to this, since the Rebels were very much 'his era' at Oxford. All the best Rob