King's Lynn Stars 2025

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11 hours ago, Col said:

His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4.

Why would there be more pressure on him in a team that clearly won't compete, than in a team which expects to win the league?

 

Next season, Ben whilst at 1, will ride against the same opposition in his first three races. The difference for his fourth race will see him against 3&5 instead 4&7. You would think this will impact his scoring. 

The silver lining is that he will be partnered by a lesser rider than Jaimon and is more likely to be in front of his teammate. Ben scored the highest number of bonus points for The Aces (24) and had he finished in front of his teammate his average would have been 7.53. 

[gazzac]

Is it just me, but do any others think Kvech will prove to be a pretty good number 1 this season with the experience of last year beginning to learn tracks etc. If he can after the first average changes, with Ben riding in the middle order or at 5 would be a solid team, not playoff winners I imagine but certainly could get to them, a lot of ifs what's and maybes but probably won't lose many at home.

Edited November 10, 2024 by gazzac

[Bald Bloke]

6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

That's what the management want (regardless of what they say publicly).

King's Lynn is built on the cheap. The aim is simple, just to TRY to win at home, and not by big margins, and be battered away.

Let me explain by numbers because all we'll get back is King's Lynn do pay well blah, blah, blah.

Here's an example.

Say Ipswich average 44 per meeting at £400 per point for their septet that's £17,600 per meeting. 

King's Lynn could offer their septet exactly the same terms but it's built "on the cheap."

King's Lynn average 40 per meeting at £400 per point, that's £16,000 per meeting.

Over a season

Ipswich pay £422,400

King's Lynn £384,000

Say, both clubs have similar attendances, King's Lynn are making better profits by being a cheaper, losing team.

This is why King's Lynn is always built "on the cheap" these days, the management know, and don't want, big home wins & to many (if any at all) wins away.

As long as you can get enough through the turnstiles, British Speedway don't actually offer real incentive to put together a 'winning team'.

Ippo is a well supported club. Lynn are not. If you took say 300 of their supporters away every home meeting, I don’t think they would be able to build the same team as they do now.

Edited November 10, 2024 by Bald Bloke

[szkocjasid]

On 11/8/2024 at 7:00 PM, SpeedwayFan91 said:

I think Ben will kick on, his average is 6.99 as it stands and I expect him to finish 2025 in the 7’s… can’t see him going down 

 

13 hours ago, Col said:

His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4.

It could go either way. I'd expect Cook to improve as a rider, as he has done every season so far, which would normally up his average, but racing in a more tough position makes it harder.

Let's say he's good enough to be an 8.00 rider at 4, that may translate to a 7.25 rider racing at 1?

Anyway if King's Lynn have 6 riders within one point of each other, I doubt anyone would be at 1 or 6 all season, could change every month.

[SuperStarsFan91]

2 hours ago, gazzac said:

Is it just me, but do any others think Kvech will prove to be a pretty good number 1 this season with the experience of last year beginning to learn tracks etc. If he can after the first average changes, with Ben riding in the middle order or at 5 would be a solid team, not playoff winners I imagine but certainly could get to them, a lot of ifs what's and maybes but probably won't lose many at home.

I agree, I think Kvech will be at number 1 after the first average change or maybe the 2nd…

Kvech Iversen Cook Harris Lawson Klindt Boughen, looks so much better than, Cook Iversen Kvech Klindt Lawson Harris Boughen… I know it’s the same riders, but you know what I mean 

[Bald Bloke]

16 hours ago, Col said:

His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4.

Why would there be more pressure on him in a team that clearly won't compete, than in a team which expects to win the league?

That septet will endure humiliation away from Saddlebow road almost every fixture.

Blimey… who pi$$ed on your chips😉

[Gambo95]

1 hour ago, SpeedwayFan91 said:

I agree, I think Kvech will be at number 1 after the first average change or maybe the 2nd…

Kvech Iversen Cook Harris Lawson Klindt Boughen, looks so much better than, Cook Iversen Kvech Klindt Lawson Harris Boughen… I know it’s the same riders, but you know what I mean 

Give the team managers the option to line their team up how they want then they could have Kvech at number 1 if they wanted (need to have 2 lowest riders at reserve still).

Would give the team manager more options as well.

[mikebv]

7 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

That's what the management want (regardless of what they say publicly).

King's Lynn is built on the cheap. The aim is simple, just to TRY to win at home, and not by big margins, and be battered away.

Let me explain by numbers because all we'll get back is King's Lynn do pay well blah, blah, blah.

Here's an example.

Say Ipswich average 44 per meeting at £400 per point for their septet that's £17,600 per meeting. 

King's Lynn could offer their septet exactly the same terms but it's built "on the cheap."

King's Lynn average 40 per meeting at £400 per point, that's £16,000 per meeting.

Over a season

Ipswich pay £422,400

King's Lynn £384,000

Say, both clubs have similar attendances, King's Lynn are making better profits by being a cheaper, losing team.

This is why King's Lynn is always built "on the cheap" these days, the management know, and don't want, big home wins & to many (if any at all) wins away.

As long as you can get enough through the turnstiles, British Speedway don't actually offer real incentive to put together a 'winning team'.

Of course they don't...

There is almost zero financial gain from winning any title other than getting decent crowds for the play offs, (and even that may only balance out those who don't bother to attend when play off positions are confirmed well before the final matches)..

Win at home, maintaining your crowds' interest, and then lose away, sometimes using guests when you have agreed to race knowing your best (and most expensive) rider, is unavailable..

 It is a hobby for most, so they build a team that hopefully is competitive enough to keep the home turnstiles clicking...

 

[gazzac]

46 minutes ago, Gambo95 said:

Give the team managers the option to line their team up how they want then they could have Kvech at number 1 if they wanted (need to have 2 lowest riders at reserve still).

Would give the team manager more options as well.

Used to be that way, always remember Crump and Pedersen preferring to be at 5, gave the track time to bed in before their first ride.

[FromBendThree]

1 hour ago, gazzac said:

Used to be that way, always remember Crump and Pedersen preferring to be at 5, gave the track time to bed in before their first ride.

Remember Nicki at 5 for Eastbourne Eagles with Floppy at 1

[rearingtogo]

1 hour ago, FromBendThree said:

Remember Nicki at 5 for Eastbourne Eagles with Floppy at 1

Sure do

[SPEEDY69]

On 11/10/2024 at 12:02 AM, SpeedwayFan91 said:

I don’t usually spend £15 a night on food and drink though…

But as I’ve already said, take the food and drink out of the equation, why should I waste 20 odd quid on a ticket and petrol on a 100 mile round trip if we had a team that clearly wasn’t capable of getting top 4 from the start and being 2-3 points under the limit?… to be capable of getting into the top 4 we need a team that is no worse than Cook Iversen Kvech Klindt Lawson Harris Boughen!! It’s as simple as that 

I suppose that depends on whether you want to watch live speedway or only watch it if you win.  I much prefer to see good racing, whoever wins rather than boring victories but I know others think differently.  I've seen some good meeting where my team has lost sometimes by quite a margin.

[Gavan]

On 11/9/2024 at 10:26 PM, SpeedwayFan91 said:

I shouldn’t have to… but even so, take the food and drink out of the equation, why should I waste 20 odd quid on a ticket and petrol on a 100 mile round trip if we had a team that clearly wasn’t capable of getting top 4 from the start and being 2-3 points under the limit?… to be capable of getting into the top 4 we need a team that is no worse than Cook Iversen Kvech Klindt Lawson Harris Boughen!! It’s as simple as that 

Bang average side that one 

Our heat leaders Doyle Emil and Brennan very superior to Cook Kvech and Lawson… 2 of those were second strings last year …. 
 

Ellis and King better than Iversen and Klindt 

Harris should do better than Dan T and maybe not much between Boughen and Jenkins 

A team that might scrape 4th but injuries aside miles off of Ipswich Sheffield and Belle Vue

[Arch Stanton]

Think Oxford will be Lynn’s biggest threat for 4th. Be interesting to see whether they take full advantage of Janowski’s low average. Potential is there to build a powerful side. 

[SaddlebowRoad]

1 hour ago, Gavan said:

Bang average side that one 

Our heat leaders Doyle Emil and Brennan very superior to Cook Kvech and Lawson… 2 of those were second strings last year …. 
 

Ellis and King better than Iversen and Klindt 

Harris should do better than Dan T and maybe not much between Boughen and Jenkins 

A team that might scrape 4th but injuries aside miles off of Ipswich Sheffield and Belle Vue

not sure id agree with that but its worth a debate certainly

the most important thing is that lynn fans are happy with their 1-7 and want to go and watch it and i think they will be

it should win the majority of home matches and be a nuisance away 

IF injuries can be avoided 

[TTT]

1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said:

Think Oxford will be Lynn’s biggest threat for 4th. Be interesting to see whether they take full advantage of Janowski’s low average. Potential is there to build a powerful side. 

Assuming KL's rumoured 1-7 is correct and Oxford get what I've got pencilled in for them then I think they'll both make the play-offs tbh,

I'm not convinced on Sheffield, Stunning rumoured top three but that tail end is dreadful and it's relying on Picko keeping up the end of season form also will Woffy be the same rider after his injury?

[GeneralMelchett]

2 minutes ago, TTT said:

Assuming KL's rumoured 1-7 is correct and Oxford get what I've got pencilled in for them then I think they'll both make the play-offs tbh,

I'm not convinced on Sheffield, Stunning rumoured top three but that tail end is dreadful and it's relying on Picko keeping up the end of season form also will Woffy be the same rider after his injury?

I am playing devils advocate here but the same could apply to Jason also - hes been out a long time and we have to hope he is fully fit and able to carry on where he left off!

KIngs Lynn always seem to have a (half) decent side on paper - afterall they started 24 with Tobais who I rate then all seems to go wrong after a few weeks! At least if Harris is announced they have a racer to watch!

[TTT]

56 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said:

I am playing devils advocate here but the same could apply to Jason also - hes been out a long time and we have to hope he is fully fit and able to carry on where he left off!

KIngs Lynn always seem to have a (half) decent side on paper - afterall they started 24 with Tobais who I rate then all seems to go wrong after a few weeks! At least if Harris is announced they have a racer to watch!

Personally I don't worry about Jason because he's dealt with big injuries throughout his entire career and everytime he's come back stronger.

I throw the Tai question up because he was declining as a rider before the injury.

[therefused]

1 hour ago, GeneralMelchett said:

I am playing devils advocate here but the same could apply to Jason also - hes been out a long time and we have to hope he is fully fit and able to carry on where he left off!

KIngs Lynn always seem to have a (half) decent side on paper - afterall they started 24 with Tobais who I rate then all seems to go wrong after a few weeks! At least if Harris is announced they have a racer to watch!

which i think the (rumoured) Lynn side has been built the way it has.  

[SuperStarsFan91]

4 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said:

I suppose that depends on whether you want to watch live speedway or only watch it if you win.  I much prefer to see good racing, whoever wins rather than boring victories but I know others think differently.  I've seen some good meeting where my team has lost sometimes by quite a margin.

I’m not even bothered about winning, not winning every meeting anyway or even often… I just want my team to be competitive, not see them getting beaten by 16-30 points every meeting