Oxford v Poole v Oxford; Weds 25th and Fri 27th Sept

[Youhave2minutes]

15 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Quite a few years back now, there was a young rider by the name of Justin Elkins. He was very fast. After meetings he took to the track and recorded times similar to the meeting. A best of three race against another young rider was organised and young Justin beat Jason Crump. in the match races. One went on to become World Champion, while the other faded in obscurity within a few seasons. 
 

Just like Ashton Boughen, Justin Elkins didn’t like riders around him and ended up trying to cover it up by having false EF’s etc. He had the ability but couldn’t get over the closeness of other riders. I remember going to Monmore and Elkins was riding at number two for Poole. In heat one he gated and held off an almost unbeatable Ronnie Corey for four laps. We were gobsmacked. I think that was the highlight in his career. 

Adam  Allott was  like that, never used to want to mix it. If he gated he could beat any heatleaders but when he didn’t he looked woeful at the back.

Edited October 10, 2024 by Youhave2minutes

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

27 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Quite a few years back now, there was a young rider by the name of Justin Elkins. He was very fast. After meetings he took to the track and recorded times similar to the meeting. A best of three race against another young rider was organised and young Justin beat Jason Crump. in the match races. One went on to become World Champion, while the other faded in obscurity within a few seasons. 
 

Just like Ashton Boughen, Justin Elkins didn’t like riders around him and ended up trying to cover it up by having false EF’s etc. He had the ability but couldn’t get over the closeness of other riders. I remember going to Monmore and Elkins was riding at number two for Poole. In heat one he gated and held off an almost unbeatable Ronnie Corey for four laps. We were gobsmacked. I think that was the highlight in his career. 

I raced with Justin at Weymouth, very complex character 

[Steve Shovlar]

29 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

I raced with Justin at Weymouth, very complex character 

As in? What was he like?

[Catalan]

2 hours ago, Toady said:

Kasprazak rode for many many clubs throughout his career in the uk making him a journeyman as I said.

If you know anything about speedway then will realise that Boughen is very young and only just started riding speedway so just like everyone he has to learn his craft and needs encouragement not criticism.

 

 

This has to be one of the best lines.

Saying to an ex rider If you knew anything about speedway made me laugh out loud

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

25 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

As in? What was he like?

Definitely faking his EFs, wouldn’t really talk to anyone, kept himself to himself, not what you would call one of the lads ,after a EF when I asked what was the problem was he would just say sorted it but he never did anything to the bike, you couldn’t depend on him to win a meeting for you as you never knew when his EFs would strike but when he was good he was really good, I often thought why is he doing it but as I’ve learnt the mind is a strange thing and maybe he didn’t know he was doing it 

Edited October 10, 2024 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Trees]

8 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said:

Adam  Allott was  like that, never used to want to mix it. If he gated he could beat any heatleaders but when he didn’t he looked woeful at the back.

Yes my thoughts went straight to Adam .....

[SteelShoe]

17 hours ago, gjcone44 said:

they go on about Nichols  having a bad night he put more effort in than anyone last night at trying to over take.

Nothing in the track for Nicholls to use, the heat leaders had to gate and be in front coming out of turn 2 otherwise that was it, proved that was the case in the race Ben Cook was last.

[Pinny]

8 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Definitely faking his EFs, wouldn’t really talk to anyone, kept himself to himself, not what you would call one of the lads ,after a EF when I asked what was the problem was he would just say sorted it but he never did anything to the bike, you couldn’t depend on him to win a meeting for you as you never knew when his EFs would strike but when he was good he was really good, I often thought why is he doing it but as I’ve learnt the mind is a strange thing and maybe he didn’t know he was doing it 

I seen Elkins have plenty of engine failures at Reading and Newport, some well whist clear at the front some when well back. Very odd rider though.

Allott came to mind as well. 

[SaddlebowRoad]

adam allott averaged ten at lynn and around four away while riding for the stars

at lynn he generally made good gates and would beat the leagues top men by quarter of a lap, he was small and light and very quick

but away from home and even at lynn when he didn't gate he could lose to the worst number sevens as hed just shut off into every bend

very frustrating rider 

[lbw]

11 hours ago, Trackrat said:

I don't understand the dumb Paul fans. They cry when i'm on here to get me banned then when i don't come on here the childish name calling starts again. Strange inbred people.

Marmite 

[ruckerroo]

Trackrat is in padded cell no2, arthur54 has been in no1 since 2014, he only gets out when face and baracus come and collect him 

[lbw]

 

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Edited October 11, 2024 by lbw

[Bojangles]

I don't meant to be harsh, but it feels like most of you commenting on Ashton Boughen have literally only seen him race at Poole. I've watched him for two seasons now, and shutting the throttle off when people are near him has never been an issue in the past. It's clearly because he has been riding while injured and doesn't want to aggravate said injury, surely? You've only got to look at his recent form to know something is amiss - you don't go from scoring a maximum at Redcar to riding like that at Poole in the space of a month for no reason.

I will agree that Ashton is a bit of an enigma. When he's in front he looks like a million dollars, but when he's behind and doesn't fancy it, he cruises around at the back. On occasions he's come from last to first at Oxford, riding the high line and looking sensational - but there is the other side of him where you can clearly hear him shutting off the throttle coming into the bends when in last place. There is absolutely nobody around him when he does this, it's just something he does, and I don't know why. But at the end of the day, he's 17 years of age, this is only his second full season in the sport and he's still learning his way. Give him time, because he's certainly not afraid of other riders around him or mixing it up when needs be. He just needs to learn the best way to do it.

Edited October 11, 2024 by Bojangles

[SaddlebowRoad]

23 minutes ago, Bojangles said:

I don't meant to be harsh, but it feels like most of you commenting on Ashton Boughen have literally only seen him race at Poole. I've watched him for two seasons now, and shutting the throttle off when people are near him has never been an issue in the past. It's clearly because he has been riding while injured and doesn't want to aggravate said injury, surely? You've only got to look at his recent form to know something is amiss - you don't go from scoring a maximum at Redcar to riding like that at Poole in the space of a month for no reason.

I will agree that Ashton is a bit of an enigma. When he's in front he looks like a million dollars, but when he's behind and doesn't fancy it, he cruises around at the back. On occasions he's come from last to first at Oxford, riding the high line and looking sensational - but there is the other side of him where you can clearly hear him shutting off the throttle coming into the bends when in last place. There is absolutely nobody around him when he does this, it's just something he does, and I don't know why. But at the end of the day, he's 17 years of age, this is only his second full season in the sport and he's still learning his way. Give him time, because he's certainly not afraid of other riders around him or mixing it up when needs be. He just needs to learn the best way to do it.

good post

its almost certainly confidence related 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

good post

its almost certainly confidence related 

A rider lacking confidence does not pin it round the air fence for 4 laps infront of the opposite no1, there is more to it than confidence or age, you can tell by the way he rides the bike he has the ability and the speed and is pretty natural on any bike 

Edited October 11, 2024 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[therefused]

1 hour ago, Bojangles said:

I don't meant to be harsh, but it feels like most of you commenting on Ashton Boughen have literally only seen him race at Poole. I've watched him for two seasons now, and shutting the throttle off when people are near him has never been an issue in the past. It's clearly because he has been riding while injured and doesn't want to aggravate said injury, surely? You've only got to look at his recent form to know something is amiss - you don't go from scoring a maximum at Redcar to riding like that at Poole in the space of a month for no reason.

I will agree that Ashton is a bit of an enigma. When he's in front he looks like a million dollars, but when he's behind and doesn't fancy it, he cruises around at the back. On occasions he's come from last to first at Oxford, riding the high line and looking sensational - but there is the other side of him where you can clearly hear him shutting off the throttle coming into the bends when in last place. There is absolutely nobody around him when he does this, it's just something he does, and I don't know why. But at the end of the day, he's 17 years of age, this is only his second full season in the sport and he's still learning his way. Give him time, because he's certainly not afraid of other riders around him or mixing it up when needs be. He just needs to learn the best way to do it.

probably didnt fancy the poole track (who can blame him)

[Youhave2minutes]

3 minutes ago, therefused said:

probably didnt fancy the poole track (who can blame him)

It was the league title at stake. Was he not hungry for it

[SaddlebowRoad]

26 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

A rider lacking confidence does not pin it round the air fence for 4 laps infront of the opposite no1, there is more to it than confidence or age, you can tell by the way he rides the bike he has the ability and the speed and is pretty natural on any bike 

you have raced a speedway bike i havent

however id argue that making the gate and having fresh air (board scraping or not) is quite different to being in close proximity to others entering bends 

if youve had a recent crash involving others it could make a rider reluctant to mix it when riders get close to eachother 

id argue that balls and confidence can be two different things 

[Youhave2minutes]

7 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

you have raced a speedway bike i havent

however id argue that making the gate and having fresh air (board scraping or not) is quite different to being in close proximity to others entering bends 

if youve had a recent crash involving others it could make a rider reluctant to mix it when riders get close to eachother 

id argue that balls and confidence can be two different things 

Balls!🤣
This is speedway not basketball

Edited October 11, 2024 by Youhave2minutes

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

28 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

you have raced a speedway bike i havent

however id argue that making the gate and having fresh air (board scraping or not) is quite different to being in close proximity to others entering bends 

if youve had a recent crash involving others it could make a rider reluctant to mix it when riders get close to eachother 

id argue that balls and confidence can be two different things 

You need balls ride a bike you need confidence to race it, crashes do make you weary and the longer your career the more that weariness grows but pretty much you are over it when you get your next race win, nobody wants to crash but if this is in your mind especially in your early years of your career then you need to ask yourself should I be doing this ?