IainB Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Aries said: He did you’re correct. Last he spoke about it a couple of months ago,he was struggling with timelines to get the riders competing in the actual event, and the experienced top class riders who he wants to attend also, to all be there at the same time. He wants the likes of Doyle and Emil there to help the youngsters and give them advice. He was working hard on a resolution to get all the pieces of the jigsaw together. Haven’t heard anything since. He couldn't even get them out for the Billy Sanders Memorial Trophy, so there's no chance he'll get them out for a junior meeting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 20 hours ago, Pinny said: I said nothing of the sort. I said to phil the ace "you clearly dont know who your talking to" or something along those lines when he was talking to steve brum regarding brady kurtz injury. Go and read it for yourself its on the BV vs KL thread. Apologies Pinny. I had been up the pub for 6 hours to celebrate my Son in Laws BirthdayI should of read twice, and posted once 👍 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 3 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: This forum is dammed if you do and dammed if you dont, it’s funny really. Now it’s all about how expensive the tickets are, when I suggested a few months ago to reduce the cost to get more people in the stadium the reaction was “you won’t get more people because it’s all about the poor promotion”. Again, if people haven’t got something to moan about they aren’t happy, look at the comments on here when even a SGP is on, still people moan about boring racing, maybe change your sport would be my suggestion. Ipswich town tickets were about £40+ a pop last season and they couldn’t get a win at home for love nor money. People still packed the stadium every week though. The football wasn’t good, but people still supported. I don’t believe it’s just down to money, it’s a factor yes, but not solely money. People pay for many other sports without a problem, it’s more the product with the guesting, no loyalty with the riders, no jeopardy in the league, other stuff like that. Ipswich Town was full as it is (was), a novelty value of seeing truly some of the worlds best players after so long... And relegation was a shoe in from an early part of the season so why not still go and watch world class players? Even if they are on the other team.. And £40 is "good" for the Premier League... The GP and Polish Top League riders generated initial uplift in crowds, but then the "novelty" wore off, (as predicted), and now unfortunately could become surplus to requirements.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, ShanoXtra said: And watch the whole of speedway collapse and then we have nothing to watch, that’s the other problem. I can't think that speedway would collapse in this country if it was ridden with riders who are committed to it, if Ippo want to run Thursday night with riders that commit to that... and just as importantly away fixtures also, great! Difficult to see anything wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 Reducing admission prices won't change a thing if the top riders aren't here imo, If anything it would backfire imo. If you reduce admission to let's say £10 instead of £20 then you'll need to get double the amount of fans turn up just to end up with the same gate money on the night, Where are they going to come from? Bank Holiday attendances are good because everyone is off work. Speedway taking place mid-week probably has an impact on attendances as well because Parents are working until 6-7 PM and it's a School Night for the kids etc. That's probably one of the reasons as to why you see a lot of older aged fans attend on a regular basis, Especially the TV meetings. Another problem that Speedway has is that Britain is just too good at Sports unlike other countries to a point where Sports fans are spoilt for choice over here when it comes to attending Sporting events. Speedway in the UK is competing with Darts, Football, Rugby, Cricket, Numerous Top Horse Racing Events throughout the year etc because barely anyone can afford to attend multiple Sporting events on a regular basis. So it's a choice and something has to give, Youngsters will opt for the Darts just for the beer, Die Hard Football fans will always buy tickets to support their PL club etc. so Speedway will be way down the pecking order. I love Speedway and it's the best Sport in the world imo but even I can't see a scenario where things can be turnt around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 Let's do some numbers... For two GP riders it must be (based on info from a few years ago), a minimum, circa £3k a night... With two, it is £6k... So, £12k needed in sponsorship and attendance, (and it may be more), from your home meeting to pay them for the next away meeting too.. And, if rumours are true, for some, £3k is on the lower end of the scale... Taking BV as an example, if you removed Brady and Dan next year, and ran with five rider teams, (the same lads as now), then that would be a huge saving... 10 meetings @ £12k is massive... You could bank £6k a night from the current outlay, and use the other £6k in knocking six quid off 1000 tickets which might entice those less regulars, or even those who stopped going, to get to the NSS.. Watching the Polish top tier stars is truly a different level, but, the brutal truth is they don't "pack em in" enough to justify the outlay, and, beyond them, you still have the Mickey Mouse aspect that dilutes what their incredible talents deliver. Good to read that Chris Louis is involved in the future plan. And intelligent fella, and one of the very few that seems to grasp what is needed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 11 minutes ago, IainB said: I can't think that speedway would collapse in this country if it was ridden with riders who are committed to it, if Ippo want to run Thursday night with riders that commit to that... and just as importantly away fixtures also, great! Difficult to see anything wrong with that. But where are the riders coming from? The prem is struggling to track 7 similar standard rising stars, the champ clubs are scratching for 2 pointers and whats left of the NL is tracking riders that are realistically second half level. Numbers in youth rounds are hardly encouraging and the amateur scene has been hammered into the ground. The dilution of the sport started 10+ years ago and now the price is being paid. For every Cairns or Rushen you need another half a dozen "lesser but competent" riders coming through, the sports journeymen that keep the places filled and they are what are very much lacking at present. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The H Man Posted June 26 Author Report Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I believe BSN pay each clubs a % and as it can be streamed world wide so people in places like Australia or USA are contributing to the clubs and I subscribe and so I’m contributing to teams that I wouldn’t necessarily attend so yes it may discourage people from actually attending it is at least contributing to the clubs Correct! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 12 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: But where are the riders coming from? The prem is struggling to track 7 similar standard rising stars, the champ clubs are scratching for 2 pointers and whats left of the NL is tracking riders that are realistically second half level. Numbers in youth rounds are hardly encouraging and the amateur scene has been hammered into the ground. The dilution of the sport started 10+ years ago and now the price is being paid. For every Cairns or Rushen you need another half a dozen "lesser but competent" riders coming through, the sports journeymen that keep the places filled and they are what are very much lacking at present. I think you only have to look at the number of young riders from U21 Championships over the last 10 years or so who have turned away from the sport due to lack of opportunity, mainly due to doubling up. Next year, as it stands at the moment, we're down to 14 tracks. That's: 98 riders for 7 rider teams 84 riders for 6 rider teams 70 riders for 5 rider teams It's going to take adjustments to the race format to give riders a proper progression path instead of being dumped in the top league and allowed to sink or swim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 Without going into details or individuals too a point what riders are paid per point isn’t really going to change much,it’s more the extras are getting out of hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim G Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 15 hours ago, mikebv said: Agree on every point apart from the 15 mins of entertainment... There is zero to keep me entertained during the gaps between racing.. 1970's music? Really? I attended an indoors MX event in MCR ten years ago and every Speedway promoter should have gone to it... The on track action was only a part of the evening.. You could win a mini MX bike, (just £5 a text), and 1000's of dads texted in. (Me being one).. They fired, via air gun, t shirts (all small so kids got them), into the crowd, and my lad got one... Each rider had a merch stall, with shirts, photos, selfies etc.. And Monster Energy Girls... (Ahem)... The guy in the middle kept the evening flowing, the music reflected the hi octane, adrenaline fuelled sport... And I didn't have a clue who anyone was but paid seventy quid for me and my then 12 year old lad... And it was worth every penny.. Some on here say that the gaps between races is a chance to talk with those they stand with and haven't seen since the last meeting, which is fine.. But what do those attending for the first time do? Twiddle their thumbs? A high octane, adrenaline fuelled sport should have an off track package that reflects it... UK Speedway's off track entertainment is truly dire... The Arenacross is an excellent night out and I go and watch most years either at the NEC or Wembley Arena. Normally pay about £40 and it’s 3 hours non stop entertainment and very enjoyable. I took 2 friends this year and who have never been before and both found it brilliant and both will be going back. However before Covid it was starting to get stale as the format hadn’t changed and the crowds were dropping dramatically. So during the Covid break they used the time to tweak the format only a little bit and changed it to a British Championship and got riders like Tommy Searle involved and the crowds are back where they used to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 2 minutes ago, Tim G said: The Arenacross is an excellent night out and I go and watch most years either at the NEC or Wembley Arena. Normally pay about £40 and it’s 3 hours non stop entertainment and very enjoyable. I took 2 friends this year and who have never been before and both found it brilliant and both will be going back. However before Covid it was starting to get stale as the format hadn’t changed and the crowds were dropping dramatically. So during the Covid break they used the time to tweak the format only a little bit and changed it to a British Championship and got riders like Tommy Searle involved and the crowds are back where they used to be. 2020 was the year speedway should of used to rebrand, rebuild and forge a game plan going forward but it didn’t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 The sport need an independent governing body more than ever, someone who makes the rules for the competition and the bikes and then promotions and riders join up knowing where they stand, in the case of the riders and their bikes, the independent body say the bikes must have a square wheel( silly analogy) then the riders and tuners can scream all they like but that’s the rule and if you don’t like it go do something else 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 4 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: Gorzow today announced that for the Wroclaw match this Friday night, when you buy 3 tickets you will receive additional 3 tickets for free. Probably because their attendances are down big time this season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Let's do some numbers... For two GP riders it must be (based on info from a few years ago), a minimum, circa £3k a night... With two, it is £6k... So, £12k needed in sponsorship and attendance, (and it may be more), from your home meeting to pay them for the next away meeting too.. And, if rumours are true, for some, £3k is on the lower end of the scale... Taking BV as an example, if you removed Brady and Dan next year, and ran with five rider teams, (the same lads as now), then that would be a huge saving... 10 meetings @ £12k is massive... You could bank £6k a night from the current outlay, and use the other £6k in knocking six quid off 1000 tickets which might entice those less regulars, or even those who stopped going, to get to the NSS.. Watching the Polish top tier stars is truly a different level, but, the brutal truth is they don't "pack em in" enough to justify the outlay, and, beyond them, you still have the Mickey Mouse aspect that dilutes what their incredible talents deliver. Good to read that Chris Louis is involved in the future plan. And intelligent fella, and one of the very few that seems to grasp what is needed..... But you still wouldn’t turn up for the “qualifiers” with or without Dan or Brady so Belle Vue would collapse ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Wolfie456 said: Probably because their attendances are down big time this season too. Yeah that’s due to how poor the club has been run and the fans going against the old president. Next year if they stay up it will go back to normal. In Poland people say they can’t afford the Extraliga matches… they are equivalent to £12 English money to see the best league in the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 Just now, ShanoXtra said: Yeah that’s due to how poor the club has been run and the fans going against the old president. Next year if they stay up it will go back to normal. In Poland people say they can’t afford the Extraliga matches… they are equivalent to £12 English money to see the best league in the world! I’ve banged this drum before that UK speedway shouldn’t be double the price of Poland for half (if not less) the entertainment. However, attendance money is secondary in Poland. The league is sponsored by the state-owned energy company with revenue of over £15bn. It’s the equivalent of British Speedway being sponsored by British Gas, which we all know is just farcical to think… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 27 minutes ago, StarBoy said: I’ve banged this drum before that UK speedway shouldn’t be double the price of Poland for half (if not less) the entertainment. However, attendance money is secondary in Poland. The league is sponsored by the state-owned energy company with revenue of over £15bn. It’s the equivalent of British Speedway being sponsored by British Gas, which we all know is just farcical to think… It’s true. PGE are massive there is no denying and the sponsorship money heavily outweighs the gate money. Also everyone should remember that local councils have a set budget for sports to help out, normally 50% speedway / 50% football, I know Gorzow is more like 65/35 due to stal being far greater than stilon. Our councils can’t sort out the roads and day to day running so no chance they would help out our speedway. I know Thurrock and Essex and soon Cambridge councils will all be in heavy debt even with the government funding. Goes back to the root of the people… too many people in the country illegally or people sponging off the government from other peoples hard earn tax. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 3 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: 2020 was the year speedway should of used to rebrand, rebuild and forge a game plan going forward but it didn’t I am still truly amazed they didn't... It was a complete free hit to reset the sport and relaunch it... Nobody even lost money as they were shut, so what an opportunity to spend some of that cash on some proper relaunch marketing... That they came back with the "same old, same old", you can only assume they felt nothing needed to change... Which, if correct, is also truly amazing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted June 26 Report Share Posted June 26 Anyone fancy talking about *checks thread title* Birmingham Speedway? 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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