2025 Torun SON and SON 2

[gjcone44]

12 hours ago, IainB said:

There's a lot of Brits in the crowd... we really will turn up and watch any old crap 💩 😂

yes I'm thinking of coming down to Leicester on Monday v Ipswich..😁

[PersonalResponsibility]

That's almost certainly one of the worst SON/SWC meetings I've ever had the misfortune to watch. Dreadful.

My main takeaways from that were:

a) don't host anything in Poland that doesn't directly involve Poland - who knew?

b) don't host one of the flagship international meetings of the season in October - who knew?

c) if you're going to televise a meeting in a 20,000 seat arena when there are 14 people in attendance, maybe don't continually show drone shots of said arena, highlighting the 19,986 empty seats.

d) if the rules allow team managers to chop and change riders and gate positions at the drop of a hat, for christ's sake let the commentator know. I don't need to hear Kelvin telling us he "thinks" it's rider X or he's "fairly sure" Rider Y is on gate 1 - it's amateurish.

Other than that, it wasn't bad, some decent racing.

[Fromafar]

They should stick to the 4 man Team formula,even though the lesser Nations don’t have International standard riders their lesser riders are the same standard which produced some decent racing between them.This pairs Semi-Finals just need to be scrapped.

[WookieboyDon]

There is simply no way that a semi final for the SoN should be in an empty stadium.

 

Absolutely ridiculous. 😡

 

Any first time viewer will have been appalled, let alone us as speedway fans.

 

Tickets should have been given out free to schoolkids, local residents, charities etc. While it wouldn't have created anywhere near a full house, it would still have looked better on tv than looking at the 50 fans that were there dotted around the stadium. 

 

Unacceptable.

[Bojangles]

14 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Looks pretty chilly out there jusging by the spectators clothing . Speedway in late September a bit chilly . 

What was he wearing?

[mikebv]

11 hours ago, IainB said:

Sports that think they're right and the fans are wrong tend not to do too well 🤔

Businesses exactly the same ....

Those empty seats tell the organisers everything they need to know about their promotion and organisation of this event....

The same can be said about over here.  

Listening to those who are no longer attend, but still follow the sport closely, is far more important than the feedback of those who still do attend ..

As there are many, many more of the former than the latter. 

[mikebv]

6 minutes ago, Bojangles said:

What was he wearing?

He had two coats ...

But. One was brought to give to anyone else who turned up...😁

[racers and royals]

1 hour ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

That's almost certainly one of the worst SON/SWC meetings I've ever had the misfortune to watch. Dreadful.

My main takeaways from that were:

a) don't host anything in Poland that doesn't directly involve Poland - who knew?

b) don't host one of the flagship international meetings of the season in October - who knew?

c) if you're going to televise a meeting in a 20,000 seat arena when there are 14 people in attendance, maybe don't continually show drone shots of said arena, highlighting the 19,986 empty seats.

d) if the rules allow team managers to chop and change riders and gate positions at the drop of a hat, for christ's sake let the commentator know. I don't need to hear Kelvin telling us he "thinks" it's rider X or he's "fairly sure" Rider Y is on gate 1 - it's amateurish.

Other than that, it wasn't bad, some decent racing.

Point D It’s amateurish because Kelv and Chris sat in a London studio is amateurish. Should be at the track for the 4 meetings and with a commentary position right over the start line he surely could see by himself without waiting for the drone to fly away and a shot of the start line shown. He could also see the exclusion lights clearly.

Edited 4 hours ago by racers and royals

[markandrew23]

23 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Point D It’s amateurish because Kelv and Chris sat in a London studio is amateurish. Should be at the track for the 4 meetings and with a commentary position right over the start line he surely could see by himself without waiting for the drone to fly away and a shot of the start line shown. He could also see the exclusion lights clearly.

What's the reason behind Chris and Kelv not attending the meetings abroad this season ? 

[racers and royals]

2 minutes ago, markandrew23 said:

What's the reason behind Chris and Kelv not attending the meetings abroad this season ? 

I Don’t know for sure- only themselves and WBD are privy to that information, but a rumour was that it was their choice to do it from London.

[Odds On]

The format works so no need to change that, the one thing that needs addressing over the winter months is the track preparation and that goes for the Grand Prix's as well, the tracks are atrocious and serve up little more than follow the leader, speedway is in the entertainment game and these events should be the prime events for the world to look at and watch, now if us hardened speedway "fans" find them boring then how do we think "newbies" to the sport feel??

 Last night the track was that slick i would imagine even with the very small crowd they would of covered the shale costs!

[stewmac]

Live updates for SF2: https://live.baansportfansite.nl/event/945/fim-speedway-of-nations-semi-final-2-torun.html

[PersonalResponsibility]

1 hour ago, racers and royals said:

Point D It’s amateurish because Kelv and Chris sat in a London studio is amateurish. Should be at the track for the 4 meetings and with a commentary position right over the start line he surely could see by himself without waiting for the drone to fly away and a shot of the start line shown. He could also see the exclusion lights clearly.

I agree that would help matters, but equally it's the year 2025. If TMs are making changes to the line-up then there's no reason it can't be done digitally, with almost instant notification to appropriate people (commentators), regardless of whether they're in the stadium, London, or Timbuktu. Alas.

[IainB]

1 hour ago, mikebv said:

Businesses exactly the same ....

Those empty seats tell the organisers everything they need to know about their promotion and organisation of this event....

The same can be said about over here.  

Listening to those who are no longer attend, but still follow the sport closely, is far more important than the feedback of those who still do attend ..

As there are many, many more of the former than the latter. 

While the woke FIM is putting inclusivity ahead of bums on seats they'll always be on a hiding to nothing

[The Cheese]

17 hours ago, ShanoXtra said:

Is this still the case for tonight?

I see you got there in the end but they obviously changed it as it was listed as being on 10 when I checked last week here - https://www.tvguide.co.uk/channel/tnt-sports-10

Looking again, tonight's doesn't appear on any of them now as they're showing Major League Baseball instead.

[IainB]

If the FIM were truly concerned about inclusivity in Speedway they'd pay more than lip service to it, if they were that interested in the development of Speedway in the lesser Speedway nations they should run proper qualifiers where Poland, Denmark, GB, Australia & Sweden etc are made to travel to the likes of Germany, France, Finland etc. etc. to compete in qualifying meetings, much like UEFA & FIFA do with Euro and World Cup qualification.

You can't just have these teams turn up at the finals where they're sunk without a trace and virtue signal that you've included everybody, it's exactly what they do with SGP4... look at us developing the kids, they're that interested in the kids that the results from the SGP4 at Vojens are still "coming soon" on the website!

At the moment the FIM really have got the worst of both worlds, they're not doing a proper development job and at the same time they're not pulling in the crowds either.

[racers and royals]

Polish media sources are reporting that 16year old sensation Pawelczak will replace Przyjemski on Friday in the SON 2 

[IainB]

4 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Polish media sources are reporting that 16year old sensation Pawelczak will replace Przyjemski on Friday in the SON 2 

What ever happened to that other 16 year old sensation from a few years back, Ratarubbishz or something like that?

[arnieg]

53 minutes ago, IainB said:

What ever happened to that other 16 year old sensation from a few years back, Ratarubbishz or something like that?

He's now a 20 year old sensation

[racers and royals]

On 9/24/2025 at 11:27 AM, ShanoXtra said:

Polish line up:

Zmarzlik

Kubera

Dudek.

I said you were talking cr@p lol

Official announcement

1 Dudek

2 Piotr Pawlicki

3 Zmarzlik