Birmingham v Leicester Premiership Monday April 28th

[ouch]

Good to see Rew top score again, every meeting bar one so far this season. Different rider and the one silver lining for Birmingham. 

[Gavan]

6 minutes ago, ouch said:

Good to see Rew top score again, every meeting bar one so far this season. Different rider and the one silver lining for Birmingham. 

Yes riding at number 4 when riding at 3 for Ipswich last season scoring 9 and 14 in his last 2 matches for an injury hit team 

He wanted too much money which Ipswich was not prepared to pay and we got Tom Brennan instead …. Now as much as I liked Rew it’s pretty clear we aren’t missing him and pretty clear he will miss the influence of Doyle and Emil if you can’t learn from them then who can you learn from just ask Dan Thompson 

Amazes me why Belle Vue let Brennan go and feel riders like Blödorn were better 

[Teromaafan]

I wasn’t prepared to pay for the delayed stream on principle…….So I got in the car, on to the motorway and drove to Perry Barr. Ha, they won’t get the better of me! The meeting was bang average with little passing on a track that looked pretty slick. Hard to see where Brum’s first win will come from with this cloud seemingly hanging over Zagar. The definition of a team effort from the Lions, with all riders managing a race win away from home.

[szkocjasid]

10 minutes ago, Teromaafan said:

I wasn’t prepared to pay for the delayed stream on principle…….So I got in the car, on to the motorway and drove to Perry Barr. Ha, they won’t get the better of me! The meeting was bang average with little passing on a track that looked pretty slick. Hard to see where Brum’s first win will come from with this cloud seemingly hanging over Zagar. The definition of a team effort from the Lions, with all riders managing a race win away from home.

When they race Oxford

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Sadly Birmingham never looked like winning this from heat 1, they tried just beat by a better team (again) Musielak was on a different engine tonight and after his first ride looked a lot more like the rider we know he is and his ride in heat 15 was brilliant, MJJ started well but faded, Rew and jepersen were solid enough, Kerr did exactly what I thought he would (why he was booked as a guest only the promotion know that ) but I think the biggest difference again was the reserves, Edward’s battled hard for his points but he is the top rising star and every match he is getting beat by the other rising stars and voulas was just nowhere tonight, interesting Zengota was in the pits tonight?  could a change be on the cards, I don’t know what’s going on with zagar, everyone maintaining it’s a visa issue so who knows 

[Hilly]

2 hours ago, Teromaafan said:

I wasn’t prepared to pay for the delayed stream on principle…….So I got in the car, on to the motorway and drove to Perry Barr. Ha, they won’t get the better of me! The meeting was bang average with little passing on a track that looked pretty slick. Hard to see where Brum’s first win will come from with this cloud seemingly hanging over Zagar. The definition of a team effort from the Lions, with all riders managing a race win away from home.

Don't worry, Birmingham take on Oxford next week, there's 2 wins 

[Aries]

7 hours ago, Teromaafan said:

I wasn’t prepared to pay for the delayed stream on principle…….So I got in the car, on to the motorway and drove to Perry Barr. Ha, they won’t get the better of me! The meeting was bang average with little passing on a track that looked pretty slick. Hard to see where Brum’s first win will come from with this cloud seemingly hanging over Zagar. The definition of a team effort from the Lions, with all riders managing a race win away from home.

This seems to be the case just about everywhere at the moment. It’s been an uncharacteristically dry spring so not sure if that has played a part in getting tracks prepared for racing. It’s definitely becoming a common theme that’s for sure. 

[geoff100]

1 hour ago, Aries said:

This seems to be the case just about everywhere at the moment. It’s been an uncharacteristically dry spring so not sure if that has played a part in getting tracks prepared for racing. It’s definitely becoming a common theme that’s for sure. 

Lets be honest most of todays riders couldnt handle a track with dirt( shale) on if not to there liking they dont want to know.

[BTFC LION]

9 hours ago, Teromaafan said:

I wasn’t prepared to pay for the delayed stream on principle…….So I got in the car, on to the motorway and drove to Perry Barr. Ha, they won’t get the better of me! The meeting was bang average with little passing on a track that looked pretty slick. Hard to see where Brum’s first win will come from with this cloud seemingly hanging over Zagar. The definition of a team effort from the Lions, with all riders managing a race win away from home.

Having put an extra 20 ton of material on it on Sunday,  and ripped up the outside for grip, I wouldn't say it was completely slick, yes the inside went slick, but that happens at a lot of track. 

 

[IainB]

1 hour ago, BTFC LION said:

Having put an extra 20 ton of material on it on Sunday,  and ripped up the outside for grip, I wouldn't say it was completely slick, yes the inside went slick, but that happens at a lot of track. 

 

The track wasn't watered once last night... they came out after heat 2 at Krosno at the weekend, not a criticism, an observation

[GeneralMelchett]

Just watched the heat 15 ride for Tobi - good ride and pleased to see him getting back to the form we know he is capable of, if Brum are to have any success this year a decent no 1 is critical!

MJJ needed to offer more in the latter hears on paper he is just as good as Fricke / Masters etc so he should be looking to beat them particulary after his Foxhall performance last week. I think Zagar is gone but lets see.

Another good score from Rew - I personally would be pleased to see him back at Ipswich - i suspect this years 7 won't be all back in 2026!!😉

[BTFC LION]

11 hours ago, IainB said:

The track wasn't watered once last night... they came out after heat 2 at Krosno at the weekend, not a criticism, an observation

Not it wasnt watered ,simply because it had been watered from 6.30 am until 6.30 pm,  if more had gone on after that it would of just sat on the top surface , making puddles which riders definitely do not want, they get filled in .

In fact we were asked to try and dry it out abit with the grader at ht7.

In Poland they have very different tracks, very different equipment,  even the material. In my opinion watering a track is a very dark art, 1 bowser to many and you have materials that turn to slop, not quite enough then you have dust. 

 

[stevebrum]

19 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said:

Just watched the heat 15 ride for Tobi - good ride and pleased to see him getting back to the form we know he is capable of, if Brum are to have any success this year a decent no 1 is critical!

MJJ needed to offer more in the latter hears on paper he is just as good as Fricke / Masters etc so he should be looking to beat them particulary after his Foxhall performance last week. I think Zagar is gone but lets see.

Another good score from Rew - I personally would be pleased to see him back at Ipswich - i suspect this years 7 won't be all back in 2026!!😉

MJJ is doing what he always does. Throws in the odd decent meeting but usually has mediocre meetings with the odd decent ride when he can be bothered.

has always been bang average in the UK. 

[arnieg]

2 hours ago, stevebrum said:

MJJ is doing what he always does. Throws in the odd decent meeting but usually has mediocre meetings with the odd decent ride when he can be bothered.

has always been bang average in the UK. 

An unfair judgement given:

1]  he hasn't ridden here since 2014, and

2]  all but 7 of his appearances were made when under 21 and a junior still learning his craft

[marko]

17 hours ago, BTFC LION said:

Not it wasnt watered ,simply because it had been watered from 6.30 am until 6.30 pm,  if more had gone on after that it would of just sat on the top surface , making puddles which riders definitely do not want, they get filled in .

In fact we were asked to try and dry it out abit with the grader at ht7.

In Poland they have very different tracks, very different equipment,  even the material. In my opinion watering a track is a very dark art, 1 bowser to many and you have materials that turn to slop, not quite enough then you have dust. 

 

If I can play devils advocate for a minute, if watering would mean it would sit on the top, doesn’t that mean that there was no dirt to soak it up? 
My own track (Lakeside) was no angel either, it was often so slick, adding water would turn it into an ice rink and if there is dirt on the outside and you water that and it binds, you go from slick to grippy with bad consequences.

From what I have seen from clips from various media outlets, the tracks this season are just the same old same old and no one is prepared (no pun intended) to address the elephant in the room, these modern bikes are so crap and can’t handle anything other than a smooth track with a fine layer of dirt that is gone after a couple of heats, hence follow the leader, the riders like it, ok they can’t pass very easily but as I have mentioned elsewhere, most have a min guaranteed payment anyway, so do they really care if they come first or second?

Bring back the uprights and then you can have more dirt which will also help prevent rain offs, because if you have dirt down you can always scrape some off (provided it has stopped raining)

[Fromafar]

On 4/29/2025 at 2:33 PM, GeneralMelchett said:

Just watched the heat 15 ride for Tobi - good ride and pleased to see him getting back to the form we know he is capable of, if Brum are to have any success this year a decent no 1 is critical!

MJJ needed to offer more in the latter hears on paper he is just as good as Fricke / Masters etc so he should be looking to beat them particulary after his Foxhall performance last week. I think Zagar is gone but lets see.

Another good score from Rew - I personally would be pleased to see him back at Ipswich - i suspect this years 7 won't be all back in 2026!!😉

Don’t think MJJ is a good a rider as Fricke although he is having a good season this year.Fricke has had a better career.IMO

[PersonalResponsibility]

7 hours ago, arnieg said:

An unfair judgement given:

1]  he hasn't ridden here since 2014, and

2]  all but 7 of his appearances were made when under 21 and a junior still learning his craft

Bang on. Stevebrum being a bit misleading with the 'facts' there (shock).

MJJ is a transformed rider, even since last year, and I'm sure - if committed - he can be one of the Premiership's top riders.

Edited April 30 by PersonalResponsibility

[stevebrum]

13 hours ago, arnieg said:

An unfair judgement given:

1]  he hasn't ridden here since 2014, and

2]  all but 7 of his appearances were made when under 21 and a junior still learning his craft

And was scoring well abroad at that time too. Something which he has been doing since 2024.

It’s like nothing has changed so my point remains. 

[1 valve]

17 hours ago, marko said:

If I can play devils advocate for a minute, if watering would mean it would sit on the top, doesn’t that mean that there was no dirt to soak it up? 
 

Not really. Once any material capable of absorbing water reaches its saturation point then it means all pore spaces in the substrate are filled. After which any further water applied will run off and gather elsewhere- ie puddles. 
 

[IainB]

4 minutes ago, 1 valve said:

Not really. Once any material capable of absorbing water reaches its saturation point then it means all pore spaces in the substrate are filled. After which any further water applied will run off and gather elsewhere- ie puddles. 
 

Congratulations! You are the first person to use the word "substrate" on this forum 🏆😂