British GP’s Belle Vue Fri/Sat 13th/14th June

[Fromafar]

3 hours ago, IainB said:

But could get 20,000 the year before at a stale Cardiff.

If it returns to Manchester next year on a single night, cheapest tickets could be nudging £100

You don’t need to buy one though.Whatever the price it will probably be sell out.

[1 valve]

2 hours ago, Hackett said:

Imagine NSS will be used again next season for a SGP as long as the costs of hosting don't go up significantly. Rather than the 2x SGP could well imagine the FIM could look at SGP2 / SGP3 on the Fri. 

WBD Sports are not going to consider Stadium venues in London due to cost. Speedway Star mentioned that it could be the last SGP at Warsaw this season due to cost. WBD will look to maximise opportunity at speedway stadiums rather than new venues. The audience both at the venue and on TV doesn't warrant it. 

Discovery Sports Events (DSE) are the organisation who promote the Speedway GP series and by and large work on organising the actual event and partner ticketing agencies and similar sub contractors to deliver the final product to fans and content to (WBD Sport) media outlets.
It was obvious from their initial involvement in promoting Cardiff 2021 that they were on a cost cutting exercise. Smaller flags, less fireworks in the after meeting show to name a few items. Whilst this "saving" was most probably a benefit for that meeting, what the cost cutting did was take the shine off the overall experience which folk actually felt. 
So with lower crowds attending the following year, more cuts were made to finally deliver the prophecy many felt - Cardiff was doomed.
Its a fact of basic economics that costs increase year on year. Sure they can be managed but what you don't do in established sporting events is cut costs and reduce the spectator experience. They simply wont come back...
London would be a great opportunity to reverse the trend - and would remain positive for a good few years so long as the eevent continued to provide "quality" experience and entertainment. Unfortunately, it appears DSE are run by accountants which is a shame because as my old CEO use to say "Finance guys should never be allowed to run a business, they simply are too risk adverse to have sufficient entrepreneurial spirit and courage "

Edited Wednesday at 03:51 PM by 1 valve

[IainB]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

while staying in London by St Paul’s cathedral, me and the Mrs have never felt so scared for our lives as we did on that trip and we haven’t been back since

Was it all the predatory priests?

[1 valve]

12 minutes ago, IainB said:

Was it all the predatory priests?

Grabbed by the gargoyles - eye watering! 😭

[SpeedwayJoe]

6 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

One thing I absolutely despise but is an absolute must for the promotion of any event is free tickets to social media influencers, I know half of the crowd on here being of a certain age have just googled what they are, they really are lazy narcissistic layabouts but the fact is the youth of today buy into their whatever it is that they do, for the price of a ticket you get publicity you can’t get anywhere else, I know other sports and events use it to great success, the kids see the hero 😂 at these events and want to go because if it’s good enough for their hero it’s good enough for them and they want to be like them, as I’ve said I despise these waste of life muppets, I know they are a product of today’s society but they do have one good purpose and we like other events need to use them 

Dean, that is a very good idea in this YouTube age.

However, is it possible that whilst these so called ‘influencers’ may get people into the speedway if they like the product, on the other hand, it could be even more damaging to the sport if they don’t.  
 

Mind you, I suppose it can’t get much worse, so it is worth the risk.

Karlito is going a great job in YouTube and I really like his videos, but he cannot do it alone.  Those who run speedway need to get him involved.

I do believe that making the public more involved in the meeting by using apps which are used within the conferencing environment would help.  These apps and websites would allow those attending to become more involved in the meeting, such as voting for rider of the night, polling the spectators, and getting the public to pose questions to the riders etc.  It is possible particularly when there is a lull in racing.

Speedway does need, I feel, to embrace the technology which is out there.

 

[ShanoXtra]

3 hours ago, SpeedwayJoe said:

Dean, that is a very good idea in this YouTube age.

However, is it possible that whilst these so called ‘influencers’ may get people into the speedway if they like the product, on the other hand, it could be even more damaging to the sport if they don’t.  
 

Mind you, I suppose it can’t get much worse, so it is worth the risk.

Karlito is going a great job in YouTube and I really like his videos, but he cannot do it alone.  Those who run speedway need to get him involved.

I do believe that making the public more involved in the meeting by using apps which are used within the conferencing environment would help.  These apps and websites would allow those attending to become more involved in the meeting, such as voting for rider of the night, polling the spectators, and getting the public to pose questions to the riders etc.  It is possible particularly when there is a lull in racing.

Speedway does need, I feel, to embrace the technology which is out there.

 

You can say you want to bring in technology in regards to apps all you want but you need youngsters in the stadium first. My god people barely get up and clap a 5–1 at foxhall and it’s a sorry sight when half of them that would try would end up like doyley and out of action every other week with an injury! 
People get hooked on these programme but I go to watch the racing then quickly whip out the phone on the track grades and load up sportowefakty to look at live scores then get back to watching the meeting and celebrating when we get a 5-1, not grabbing a pen and noting down the score. Each to their own I guess, but a young crowd aren’t into that type of thing. If they have to focus on writing scores down they won’t bother and straight away get disinterested. Is it that much of a cost for witches to use the Electric Board on bend 3/4 to show scores and riders ?

[Sir Sidney]

8 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

No im saying British people don’t visit the Capitol like they used too, foreign tourist do because they still believe the dream,I have been to big events there, I went to see Guns n roses at West Ham stadium 70,000 people coming out into what used to be hackney was an eye opener to anyone who was there, all places have there crime, I went to Hamden park to see Bon jovi and you get warned by the police not to leave the stadium just as a couple to stay in groups because of the kids targeting easy pickings but London has become a hell hole 

Yes it would be an eye opener to most. Massive housing development, Westfield shopping centre, bars and restaurants abound. A lot more attractive than it was pre Olympics. 

Most people would be leaving at the same time and heading to Stratford station.  

Very little chance of any trouble.

Of course,  a few in the know will opt for other stations and parking and might be well advised to avoid walking accross the dark park and to stay on the lit roads.

All academic in any event because WBD will never risk promoting at the London stadium themselves,  and the chanced of an independent promoter doing it must be slim

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:09 PM by Sir Sidney

[IainB]

10 hours ago, ShanoXtra said:

My god people barely get up and clap a 5–1 at foxhall and it’s a sorry sight when half of them that would try would end up like doyley and out of action every other week with an injury! 
People get hooked on these programme ... not grabbing a pen and noting down the score. Each to their own I guess, but a young crowd aren’t into that type of thing.

Boils my pish this does... although having said that, the rider interaction during the meetings on Fri/Sat was woeful, with barely any rider coming around for applause until their final outing... which equally boils my pish.

I know it's a serious event and all that, but we need to see these riders and connect with them... as I've mentioned before about Zmarzlik.

[ShanoXtra]

15 minutes ago, IainB said:

Boils my pish this does... although having said that, the rider interaction during the meetings on Fri/Sat was woeful, with barely any rider coming around for applause until their final outing... which equally boils my pish.

I know it's a serious event and all that, but we need to see these riders and connect with them... as I've mentioned before about Zmarzlik.

Bank holiday Monday witches vs Lynn was best atmosphere I’ve heard when we finally got the win and everyone actually got up and cheered. To me, sport is at its finest when you have emotion and your team and your fans are as one. You’ll never get it, but the fans at Portman rd singing their heart out, all you need is 50 of them to give something different. I’m going to Gorzow vs Wroclaw after the SGP as I’m in Poland to see family, I can’t wait to hear the singing and the scarfs flying. It makes me feel invested in the meeting.

[IainB]

13 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said:

Bank holiday Monday witches vs Lynn was best atmosphere I’ve heard when we finally got the win and everyone actually got up and cheered. To me, sport is at its finest when you have emotion and your team and your fans are as one. You’ll never get it, but the fans at Portman rd singing their heart out, all you need is 50 of them to give something different. I’m going to Gorzow vs Wroclaw after the SGP as I’m in Poland to see family, I can’t wait to hear the singing and the scarfs flying. It makes me feel invested in the meeting.

Sport is nothing without emotion... even I was chanting "Bewleh! Bewleh!" at the weekend and this NEVER happens 😂

[arnieg]

21 hours ago, SpeedwayJoe said:

I agree with you 1valve, the London Stadium would be perfect.  Stratford International is only 7mins away from St Pancras and Kings Cross stations by HS1.  The Olympic park would make a great setting for a fan zone.

Last year the London Stadium also held baseball as well as athletics where the lower tier had to be reconfigured, so it can be done.

Cheapest lower tier tickets were £145 a pop though

[IainB]

Just saying...

FIM Track Racing Regulations 2025:

37.02 Ignition cut-out switches

Solo and Sidecar motorcycles must be equipped with a functional ignition kill switch or button mounted on either right or left side of handlebar (within reach of the hand while on the hand grips) that stops a running engine. The ignition cut-out switch may also be fitted on the handlebar, as close as practicable to the throttle.

The lanyard must remain attached to the wrist of the rider, mechanic or support team member at all times when the engine is running.

The ignition cut-out must stop the engine immediately, by the simple action of pulling a lanyard or a non-elastic string (which must be as short as possible) attached to the rider´s right wrist.

All other engine management switches and electrical connectors must remain covered or closed during riding.

[Hackett]

13 hours ago, Sir Sidney said:

 

Most people would be leaving at the same time and heading to Stratford station.  

 

 

If you have ever been to London Stadium for an event or gig , you would know that this brings it own troubles. Over an 80 mins to get to the station from the stadium. Quicker to walk through to Bow Road or Bromley by Bow stations , which in turn bring there own adventures.  

[FAST GATER]

1 hour ago, IainB said:

Just saying...

FIM Track Racing Regulations 2025:

37.02 Ignition cut-out switches

Solo and Sidecar motorcycles must be equipped with a functional ignition kill switch or button mounted on either right or left side of handlebar (within reach of the hand while on the hand grips) that stops a running engine. The ignition cut-out switch may also be fitted on the handlebar, as close as practicable to the throttle.

The lanyard must remain attached to the wrist of the rider, mechanic or support team member at all times when the engine is running.

The ignition cut-out must stop the engine immediately, by the simple action of pulling a lanyard or a non-elastic string (which must be as short as possible) attached to the rider´s right wrist.

All other engine management switches and electrical connectors must remain covered or closed during riding.

Don't give  Morris anymore ammunition  to stop BZ winning this year !

From memory most if not all the riders do this once the meeting is over . 

[Fromafar]

2 hours ago, IainB said:

Just saying...

FIM Track Racing Regulations 2025:

37.02 Ignition cut-out switches

Solo and Sidecar motorcycles must be equipped with a functional ignition kill switch or button mounted on either right or left side of handlebar (within reach of the hand while on the hand grips) that stops a running engine. The ignition cut-out switch may also be fitted on the handlebar, as close as practicable to the throttle.

The lanyard must remain attached to the wrist of the rider, mechanic or support team member at all times when the engine is running.

The ignition cut-out must stop the engine immediately, by the simple action of pulling a lanyard or a non-elastic string (which must be as short as possible) attached to the rider´s right wrist.

All other engine management switches and electrical connectors must remain covered or closed during riding.

Take the points off him 😂.Never thought of that did you Phil Morris.He must be stopped from winning title for the good of the sport.😂😂😂😂

[RBThirdbend]

15 hours ago, Sir Sidney said:

Yes it would be an eye opener to most. Massive housing development, Westfield shopping centre, bars and restaurants abound. A lot more attractive than it was pre Olympics. 

Most people would be leaving at the same time and heading to Stratford station.  

Very little chance of any trouble.

Of course,  a few in the know will opt for other stations and parking and might be well advised to avoid walking accross the dark park and to stay on the lit roads.

All academic in any event because WBD will never risk promoting at the London stadium themselves,  and the chanced of an independent promoter doing it must be slim

 

Do we know what the key requirements were that the London Stadium couldn't meet for Supercross that led to them pulling the plug?

Noise restrictions?

[YeOldPitGate]

Agree Dean my personal view is other than the part of central London near Liverpool Street (the financial district) the rest is a big avoid same goes for most/all of the other big cities, Cambridge, Oxford and Bath still very nice but even Norwich near where I live near has fell off a cliff the last 25 years, with one huge shopping mall virtually empty, Deliveroo riders everywhere, betting shops littering the high street, a massive ex Debenhams store covered in graffiti, aggressive beggars on the streets/Greggs shops hassling you for a quid or free coffee and sadly just a look of general run down scruffiness. 

[IainB]

54 minutes ago, FAST GATER said:

Don't give  Morris anymore ammunition  to stop BZ winning this year !

From memory most if not all the riders do this once the meeting is over . 

I also saw MM do it after winning a race... why have the rule if you're not going to enforce it?

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

3 hours ago, IainB said:

Just saying...

FIM Track Racing Regulations 2025:

37.02 Ignition cut-out switches

Solo and Sidecar motorcycles must be equipped with a functional ignition kill switch or button mounted on either right or left side of handlebar (within reach of the hand while on the hand grips) that stops a running engine. The ignition cut-out switch may also be fitted on the handlebar, as close as practicable to the throttle.

The lanyard must remain attached to the wrist of the rider, mechanic or support team member at all times when the engine is running.

The ignition cut-out must stop the engine immediately, by the simple action of pulling a lanyard or a non-elastic string (which must be as short as possible) attached to the rider´s right wrist.

All other engine management switches and electrical connectors must remain covered or closed during riding.

Oh Christ don’t you start, we only just shut up that dickhead Robinson 

[IainB]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Oh Christ don’t you start, we only just shut up that dickhead Robinson 

Robinson? Heath Robinson?

Edited yesterday at 05:19 PM by IainB