hasta la vista Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Comfortable home win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Perhaps they have realised Harrison ISNT eligible to guest after all....... On the redeclaration us outgoing average is 3.16 and Boughen shows as 3 The rotating declaration is just another manipulation of the regs to effectively allow Harrison to guest Seems a pointless rule if Harrison can be signed in place of Boughen, why can't he guest for Boughen? I don't really understand why Lynn are doing it this way, Harrison is currently stronger than Scott, why not give him the RS spot full time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted June 12 Author Report Share Posted June 12 Just now, szkocjasid said: Seems a pointless rule if Harrison can be signed in place of Boughen, why can't he guest for Boughen? I don't really understand why Lynn are doing it this way, Harrison is currently stronger than Scott, why not give him the RS spot full time? I get the reason for Jody at Oxford as he is familiar with the track. Having gone to the Young Stars meeting at the AFA in May, I would’ve actually said Jody looked more comfortable with the Lynn track and can certainly get out of the traps quicker than Luke. I think it’s fair to give them both one home and one away meeting and then make a decision based on the outcome of those 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, therefused said: how is it manipulation? Its black and white in the rules. Was it manipulation when you ended up with Jenkins at reserve despite other teams wanting him before you? Quite possibly - the no one else picked him line does seem rather unlikely So that instance may or may not be. One thing indisputable is the situation at Lynn 100% is manipulation..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 9 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Seems a pointless rule if Harrison can be signed in place of Boughen, why can't he guest for Boughen? I don't really understand why Lynn are doing it this way, Harrison is currently stronger than Scott, why not give him the RS spot full time? Maybe they don't want to do it full time with all their other commitments? Lynn never wanted to be in this position, I think using different riders from their own NDT team is fair enough, the likelihood is that they are likely to struggle against all other RS's anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 17 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Maybe they don't want to do it full time with all their other commitments? Lynn never wanted to be in this position, I think using different riders from their own NDT team is fair enough, the likelihood is that they are likely to struggle against all other RS's anyway. I can see your point and its certainly a valid and reasonable position but not one that the regulations supports To be on the list your have to commit to the scheme. If they can't commit then they shouldn't be on the list regardless if their NDL status Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasta la vista Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 The rising star scheme in general is a total mess. Jordan Jenkins isn't a rising star and there have been many similar examples. So people people getting worked up about a couple of inexperienced young lads getting a go, who probably won't score and saying it's manipulation is all a bit weird. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 41 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I can see your point and its certainly a valid and reasonable position but not one that the regulations supports To be on the list your have to commit to the scheme. If they can't commit then they shouldn't be on the list regardless if their NDL status Didn't Jenkins opt out last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 In my opinion the whole scheme should be scrapped, and gb riders have a larger average percentage to incentivise signing british riders. Even if riders under 24 had 20% average reduction and riders over 24 had 10% or something to that effect. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Seems a pointless rule if Harrison can be signed in place of Boughen, why can't he guest for Boughen? I don't really understand why Lynn are doing it this way, Harrison is currently stronger than Scott, why not give him the RS spot full time? I heard Luke/ him team, said that he ain't ready for this level yet. But will come in and do some meetings. I can't remember who bloody told me now, so wouldn't take it as gospel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Quite possibly - the no one else picked him line does seem rather unlikely So that instance may or may not be. One thing indisputable is the situation at Lynn 100% is manipulation..... Manipulation implies seeking an unfair advantage. Given we are dealing with young riders not ready to be full time rising stars [who at best will pick up a couple of points from the opposing RS] this strikes me as King's Lynn trying to navigate muddled regulations in a situation they didn't ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, hasta la vista said: The rising star scheme in general is a total mess. Jordan Jenkins isn't a rising star and there have been many similar examples. So people people getting worked up about a couple of inexperienced young lads getting a go, who probably won't score and saying it's manipulation is all a bit weird. But if you stop riders like Jenkins being a "rising star" it makes the list of options even weaker, while many say it's too big a step? If that's the case all 7 "rising stars" should be Jenkins, Edwards, Flint standard etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 51 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: But if you stop riders like Jenkins being a "rising star" it makes the list of options even weaker, while many say it's too big a step? If that's the case all 7 "rising stars" should be Jenkins, Edwards, Flint standard etc. Spot on - for the top league it is this calibre of rider that should be the rising star if any at all The 2nd tier is the best place for this type of scheme overall imo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, arnieg said: Manipulation implies seeking an unfair advantage. Given we are dealing with young riders not ready to be full time rising stars [who at best will pick up a couple of points from the opposing RS] this strikes me as King's Lynn trying to navigate muddled regulations in a situation they didn't ask for. The riders and their abilities are irrelevant when assessing manipulation imo If a situation is being used to bypass a section of the regs then it is manipulation. If you want to talk about advantage then being able to choose from 2 options is still an advantage regardless of the points they may or may not score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 4 hours ago, hasta la vista said: The rising star scheme in general is a total mess. Jordan Jenkins isn't a rising star and there have been many similar examples. So people people getting worked up about a couple of inexperienced young lads getting a go, who probably won't score and saying it's manipulation is all a bit weird. Not getting 'worked up' and it isn't about the two young riders. The principle is the regs and bypassing the fact that Harrison doesn't qualify as a guest by redeclaration every week (potentially) being manipulation Whether it's important or 'morally right' makes no difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Always good to see a track being watered with a hosepipe! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 Looks like Greg is wearing an ankle tag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 No surprise to see dust coming up on parade 🙄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 I'll really miss Chris Harris when he eventually retires, has to be the best consistently vfm British rider of all time, certainly since I started watching in the mid 60s. He just never gives up the chase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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