Gavan Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 44 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said: I think 3 of the top 4 are guaranteed already and given Leicesters win today I think their top 4 spot is probably now assured - King Lynn will just miss out i reckon. Well Belle Vue can’t keep going to smaller tracks like Ipswich and Leicester and concede 60 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 21 minutes ago, hasta la vista said: No it won't, as a whole has a much stronger sponsorship base. Might lose a club or 2 like Vetlanda from the past but then someone from the 2nd division will step up. In the UK, clubs not running or potentially not running next season are Brum, Leicester, Sheffield, Oxford. What's left? Piraterna have got the begging bowl out already despite having a dreadful side, Vargarna are a joke. Teams put out sides to deliberatly get battered just to save paying out good wages to riders. A logical reason as to why top quality riders are opting to ride in Britain over Sweden this year. UK Speedway has still got a decent amount of clubs left as is stands (14 after Birmingham go) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasta la vista Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 14 minutes ago, TTT said: Piraterna have got the begging bowl out already despite having a dreadful side, Vargarna are a joke. Teams put out sides to deliberatly get battered just to save paying out good wages to riders. A logical reason as to why top quality riders are opting to ride in Britain over Sweden this year. UK Speedway has still got a decent amount of clubs left as is stands (14 after Birmingham go) Which top quality riders have chosen UK over Sweden who don't need to ride in the UK for a Visa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 19 Report Share Posted June 19 58 minutes ago, stevehone said: has to be one league in the UK next year. wonder what will happen in Poland when sponsorship dries up They don't have to pay the amounts they currently pay to riders, let's say they pay 10 x the amount riders get in GB. Half that payment & riders will still give Poland priority over GB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 5 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: I think the rise of grassroots football in the UK is perhaps given a clue or two about the feelings towards elite sport. Whilst PL football always seems to sell out matches it seems many 'fans' are drifting away from the elite football to be replaced by tourists. I went to see Liverpool play at Sheff Utd a few years back and was amazed that in an away end of 3000 i reckon 1/3 at least, maybe more! were football tourists and not true Liverpool fans. I went to see my 'real' local football team Hallam FC last season I saw them play 3 times in front of crowds of 700, 1500 and 1550 - the previous time I saw them play was Christmas 2006 i think it was in front of 90 people! I suspect i will never attend a league football match again - mainly due to cost (overpriced bilge mainly) and the fact for me top level football has completely lost its way. Maybe speedway needs a similar moment!? - less can be more! I have been to - not that recently - Scunthorpe always felt it was good racing - maybe the league needs to ditch GP / Polish league riders with too many committments and the Elite divison and work on a better product in the championship. I totally agree ive followed semi professional football for years and have a season ticket for Ashton United, travelling around grounds in the Northern Premier League and other leagues around the country attendences at many grounds are better than the reported numbers given at a lot of speedway tracks. I also think the Championship is a better product, more tracks suited to good racing Scunny, Redcar, Workington, Glasgow for example, more variety not seeing the same team every other week, and as we saw at the British Final you dont need a GP line up to produce good racing. Where Premiership speedway goes from here is anyones guess. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 7 hours ago, Gavan said: Well Belle Vue can’t keep going to smaller tracks like Ipswich and Leicester and concede 60 points remember a couple of seasons ago semi-final you had a 24 point lead with 11 heats to go and nearly blew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, bellevueace said: I totally agree ive followed semi professional football for years and have a season ticket for Ashton United, travelling around grounds in the Northern Premier League and other leagues around the country attendences at many grounds are better than the reported numbers given at a lot of speedway tracks. I also think the Championship is a better product, more tracks suited to good racing Scunny, Redcar, Workington, Glasgow for example, more variety not seeing the same team every other week, and as we saw at the British Final you dont need a GP line up to produce good racing. Where Premiership speedway goes from here is anyones guess. The major stumbling blocks to one league (which is the obvious option given the nunbers next season), are the TV money going far more ways, and the riders not being able to double up... The guestfests too that will happen, if the GP/Polish Top League riders remain, (I cannot however see how they can given the TV money drop), on Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday evenings, also won't do the sport any favours, given these lads could have conrtacts across Sweden, Denmark and Poland... It will very much be a "Championship Lite" level of competition, which, personally should have happened well over a decade ago when Poland took over, and the Sky money stopped, and pretty much all the "top riders" all elected to clear off... However, instead of ploughing their own furrow and being in charge of then own destiny, they restricted their own businesses by working around other countries, especially Poland.. Worked well didn't it? Edited June 20 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 17 minutes ago, mikebv said: The major stumbling blocks to one league (which is the obvious option given the nunbers next season), are the TV money going far more ways, and the riders not being able to double up... The guestfests too that will happen, if the GP/Polish Top League riders remain, (I cannot however see how they can given the TV money drop), on Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday evenings, also won't do the sport any favours, given these lads could have conrtacts across Sweden, Denmark and Poland... It will very much be a "Championship Lite" level of competition, which, personally should have happened well over a decade ago when Poland took over, and the Sky money stopped, and pretty much all the "top riders" all elected to clear off... However, instead of ploughing their own furrow and being in charge of then own destiny, they restricted their own businesses by working around other countries, especially Poland.. Worked well didn't it? I really don’t see any of the championship clubs coming up so it looks at first glance like a top league of 6 teams, whether that’s enough for TNT to keep the TV money in the sport remains to be seen, their surely isn’t enough riders for one big league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 (edited) On 6/19/2025 at 10:36 AM, szkocjasid said: Well I appreciate there being a reason for using r/r at 2, as opposed to the usual "everyone uses it at 2 logic". I still wouldn't want to use Fricke at 8 against a "rising star" though. If Douglas & Howarth had to ride together, I'd then put r/r at 5. Use Howarth in heat 4 (meets a reserve) Use Fricke in heat 7 (against opposing number 1) Use Douglas in 11 Use Masters in 13 (as usual) Swap Douglas & Howarth around (Douglas at 4 means he avoids two-on-the-trot with his r/r outing). Still have a heat leader racing with a reserve (except heat 4) in r/r outings, plus 3 extra strong heats when Fricke & Masters are paired together? Paid Max for R/R for Leicester R/R 6+1 for Kurtz and not 9 as the commentator said. Edited June 20 by IainB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, mikebv said: The major stumbling blocks to one league (which is the obvious option given the nunbers next season), are the TV money going far more ways, and the riders not being able to double up... The guestfests too that will happen, if the GP/Polish Top League riders remain, (I cannot however see how they can given the TV money drop), on Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday evenings, also won't do the sport any favours, given these lads could have conrtacts across Sweden, Denmark and Poland... It will very much be a "Championship Lite" level of competition, which, personally should have happened well over a decade ago when Poland took over, and the Sky money stopped, and pretty much all the "top riders" all elected to clear off... However, instead of ploughing their own furrow and being in charge of then own destiny, they restricted their own businesses by working around other countries, especially Poland.. Worked well didn't it? 39 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: I really don’t see any of the championship clubs coming up so it looks at first glance like a top league of 6 teams, whether that’s enough for TNT to keep the TV money in the sport remains to be seen, their surely isn’t enough riders for one big league. Isn't this year the last of the TV contract with Discovery... TNT now fall under their umbrella, TNT who binned the Speedway off last time they had it and have put in bare essential levels of effort in televising it this year https://www.tntsports.co.uk/speedway/eurosport-signs-5-year-deal-with-bspa-for-british-speedway_sto7507643/story.shtml It actually started 2021 due to Covid, meaning 2025 is the final year of this contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, bellevueace said: I totally agree ive followed semi professional football for years and have a season ticket for Ashton United, travelling around grounds in the Northern Premier League and other leagues around the country attendences at many grounds are better than the reported numbers given at a lot of speedway tracks. I also think the Championship is a better product, more tracks suited to good racing Scunny, Redcar, Workington, Glasgow for example, more variety not seeing the same team every other week, and as we saw at the British Final you dont need a GP line up to produce good racing. Where Premiership speedway goes from here is anyones guess. After the Leicester v Belle Vue I re-watched a 2024 championship match between Scunny and Poole - some fantastic races and racing in that! Edited June 20 by GeneralMelchett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 13 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: I need to ask. Do Belle Vue fans actually think they are nailed on for play offs? Because watching tonight and also kings Lynn new found form I think you need to be slightly worried you’ll be finishing the league commitments early and only watching your beloved bewley and Kurtz on TV in the SGPs! Kings Lynn won't finish above BV, we are 6 points clear having ridden 1 meeting less (which is a home meeting v Birmingham). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: I really don’t see any of the championship clubs coming up so it looks at first glance like a top league of 6 teams, whether that’s enough for TNT to keep the TV money in the sport remains to be seen, their surely isn’t enough riders for one big league. That many? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 Abysmal performance by the Aces last night, but won't make a difference to getting in the play offs. No issue with Brady missing, 2 big crashes in his last 3 meetings. The SGP is crucial to Bradys whole career, especially this being the season he is trying to establish his self, of course that comes first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 It's amazing all these so called Aces supporters caring for the prospects of an individual rider who doesn't have the club at heart rather than their actual club. When there's no speedway clubs left to follow in this country will they be traveling to all the SGP's and Polish League matches to follow their hero who can do no wrong? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 Where are these rumours coming from, mentioned on this thread, that Leicester aren't running next season? Are they closing down completely or just going back to the championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted June 20 Author Report Share Posted June 20 46 minutes ago, IainB said: It's amazing all these so called Aces supporters caring for the prospects of an individual rider who doesn't have the club at heart rather than their actual club. When there's no speedway clubs left to follow in this country will they be traveling to all the SGP's and Polish League matches to follow their hero who can do no wrong? Deluded 🛎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilTheAce Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 50 minutes ago, IainB said: It's amazing all these so called Aces supporters caring for the prospects of an individual rider who doesn't have the club at heart rather than their actual club. When there's no speedway clubs left to follow in this country will they be traveling to all the SGP's and Polish League matches to follow their hero who can do no wrong? no wrong??????????????? lol, yeah just the 2 heavy crashes in quick succession, and one which he didnt even ride in poland, there really is nothing to see here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, LionsFan said: Where are these rumours coming from, mentioned on this thread, that Leicester aren't running next season? Are they closing down completely or just going back to the championship? Heard the same rumour at Poole on Wednesday, along with Oxford Edited June 20 by Arthur54 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 (edited) 15 hours ago, hasta la vista said: Which top quality riders have chosen UK over Sweden who don't need to ride in the UK for a Visa? Bewley and Sayfutdinov the pick of the bunch. Also got other decent riders who opt for Britain over Sweden, Riders like Janowski, Kvech and Musielak for example. Aussie's could chose to live in Poland and opt out of British racing but they don't. Out of the 15 GP riders it's a 6-6 split when it comes to riders who ride in Britain or Sweden with the Dane's and Vaculik opting out of both. Sweden - Zmarzlik, Lindgren, Lambert, Kubera, Lebedevs and Huckenbeck Britain - Bewley, Kurtz, J. Holder, Fricke, Doyle and Kvech Edited June 20 by TTT 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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