Belle Vue ‘Aces’ vs King’s Lynn ‘Stars’ - Monday 23rd June 2025

[PhilTheAce]

8 hours ago, stevebrum said:

Absolutely. In fairness it’s only certain fans that are comparing the injuries as like for like.

laughable really.

Stars would have won with Kvech tonight. Aces are no threat in the play unless their rivals have continued bad luck with injuries or they make changes. 

why dont you message brady and ask him to show u his injuries, you might stop being a prat then

[PhilTheAce]

1 hour ago, tellboy said:

Definitely ht14.With just that I would expect Jan,with the current form he was in to score another 4pts more than Rowe.That would meant beating the reserves and Cook.More than possible imo.

need to remember jan not had any good meetings at belle vue so jan being there wasnt a given to score lots of points

 

i was surprised with harrison in 14 but he held his own all night tbf, had some good battles.

 

you are a no1 away from being a threat to ipswich 

[Gavan]

8 hours ago, ouch said:

A mundane run of the mill win with little to get the heart pumping. If the track is as gate’n’go next week the gaters from Ipswich will make mince meat of us. If it’s the usual race track it will be fantastic. 

Rowes 4+2 was no match for Jans 4+1 from last time and probably cost the stars victory. 

The win helped put some daylight between us in the qualification table at 8 points (11 if we win the meeting with the Brummies that we have in hand). Will it be enough? Who knows at this stage and that’s what makes the play offs so enthralling. 

Noricks off night kept things close. His previous league scores are pretty consistent at home with 7+2, 8, 7, 7, 7+2 so hopefully tonight was just one of those nights. Looking at the team declarations he’s one of the better number two’s so hopefully he’ll maintain his usual good form. At just turned 21, he is certainly the youngest and I’m excited to see how he progresses with age. 

Wow and you say you aren’t a troll lol

Kvech last time scored 4 riding at number 5 from 4 rides meeting Bewley and Kurtz most rides 

His replacement scored 4 riding at number 6 

If Kvech rode at 6 last night in the form he was in he would have had 7 rides against Belle Vues poor second strings and reserves…. Even if he had 7 rides and scored 7 it would have been a draw 

Blodorn one of the better number 2’s?

He hasn’t kicked on this season 

I’m sure other teams would swap King Rowe, Becker , Riss and Iversen for Blodorn?? Not a chance

By all means support your side but trolling and missing their shortcomings is blinkered and childish 

You have 2 of the best 4 riders in the league (Holder and Emil the other 2)…. At home those 2 will get 24-26 points a meeting almost unbeatable … but if the other 5 struggle you won’t win by much as proved last night …..

I love the stat about Bewley and Kurtz winning races last night …. They should against a side with no out and out heat leaders 

You will beat Ipswich next week I wouldn’t expect Doyle who beat the top two …maybe Emil might once or twice ….but if Cook and Blodorn don’t score well we might win 

 

 

 

[SUPERACE]

22 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

need to remember jan not had any good meetings at belle vue so jan being there wasnt a given to score lots of points

 

i was surprised with harrison in 14 but he held his own all night tbf, had some good battles.

 

you are a no1 away from being a threat to ipswich 

If they had a number 1 they wouldn't have the strength in depth. 

[SUPERACE]

28 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

why dont you message brady and ask him to show u his injuries, you might stop being a prat then

Spot on Phil, this is the problem with the Keyboard generation, they chat nonsense without sitting down to actually think about what they are saying.  For anyone doubting Brady have a look at Rentrucks twitter post from last night, Brady is dealing/riding with multiple injuries at the moment.  If we had those injury's we wouldn't be working, yet this lad is fighting on, the fact he is riding well doesn't or shouldn't detract from the  pain he is riding through, but hey you keyboarders keep typing.

[PhilTheAce]

12 minutes ago, SUPERACE said:

If they had a number 1 they wouldn't have the strength in depth. 

they do. they will always have a strong reserve still, they can now get an 8 point rider in for lawson

[ouch]

2 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

How about heats 14 & 15 for a start?

I know I'm biting to a troll (shame on me I know) but Kvechs 4 last time was in the top five and not on the back of 16, 18 and what should have been double figures in a GP. The way he has been riding I'd not have put it past him to have beaten Bewley and Kurtz but we'll never know.

Heat 14 I get and that would have given Jan 5 rides but the original poster said it could be 7 rides and I’d like to know where they were thinking of using him. 

You made a good point about Jan being in the 1-5 and having harder rides and this effecting his scores but you then say he should be in heat 15 as he has a chance of beating Dan & Brady. That’s two opposing trains of thought in one paragraph. 

With regards heat 14, I think there were extenuating circumstances, as Rob doesn’t make the kind of error. I’m sure his thinking will come out as he is always forthcoming about his decision making. 

[bellevueace]

1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said:

why dont you message brady and ask him to show u his injuries, you might stop being a prat then

Just his usual anti Belle Vue comment, never seen him post anything else.

[tellboy]

1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said:

need to remember jan not had any good meetings at belle vue so jan being there wasnt a given to score lots of points

 

i was surprised with harrison in 14 but he held his own all night tbf, had some good battles.

 

you are a no1 away from being a threat to ipswich 

No scores ever a given,but you can expect Jan to score more than Rowe for sure.I personally think Jan has got better,saying he has never had any good meetings at Belle Vue is not right imo.Yes he only scored 3 and a 4 I think.Remember those were riding at 1 and 5 not at 6 where you know he would score more points from a lot easier position in the team for a more accomplished rider.

Let's not forget the calibre of riders he was up against only 10 days ago in the Gp's,look at the names he beat there.Plus the actual form he was in for Lynn anyway.Dont think he had done that well at Sheffield,but only 4 days previous he banged in 16pts.So to be reasonable even you would have expected Jan to score more,no?

[tellboy]

19 minutes ago, ouch said:

Heat 14 I get and that would have given Jan 5 rides but the original poster said it could be 7 rides and I’d like to know where they were thinking of using him. 

You made a good point about Jan being in the 1-5 and having harder rides and this effecting his scores but you then say he should be in heat 15 as he has a chance of beating Dan & Brady. That’s two opposing trains of thought in one paragraph. 

With regards heat 14, I think there were extenuating circumstances, as Rob doesn’t make the kind of error. I’m sure his thinking will come out as he is always forthcoming about his decision making. 

Rob did come out and say about ht14,I posted it earlier in the thread.

[bellevueace]

1 hour ago, SUPERACE said:

Spot on Phil, this is the problem with the Keyboard generation, they chat nonsense without sitting down to actually think about what they are saying.  For anyone doubting Brady have a look at Rentrucks twitter post from last night, Brady is dealing/riding with multiple injuries at the moment.  If we had those injury's we wouldn't be working, yet this lad is fighting on, the fact he is riding well doesn't or shouldn't detract from the  pain he is riding through, but hey you keyboarders keep typing.

What would they be saying about PC finishing second in the world days after shattering his leg at Hyde Road, riding with 300 stitches and being lifted on and off his bike? And being there he was unlucky not to actually win and in terrible conditions too.

[StarBoy]

1 hour ago, PhilTheAce said:

they do. they will always have a strong reserve still, they can now get an 8 point rider in for lawson

Exactly that. If we want to make the play-offs we need to be ruthless now and make that decision. We have 11 meetings left, with only Ipswich and Leicester away the only difficult meetings. We could win 9-10 of our remaining fixtures and pickup 25 points along the way, which should see us comfortably in the play-offs. We’ve never had a better chance of getting to the play-offs than this year, so we need to go all out and get the No. 1 we desperately need. 

[hasta la vista]

Be ruthless how?

There isn't any potential number 1 with the slightest interest in riding in the UK.

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, ouch said:

Heat 14 I get and that would have given Jan 5 rides but the original poster said it could be 7 rides and I’d like to know where they were thinking of using him. 

You made a good point about Jan being in the 1-5 and having harder rides and this effecting his scores but you then say he should be in heat 15 as he has a chance of beating Dan & Brady. That’s two opposing trains of thought in one paragraph. 

With regards heat 14, I think there were extenuating circumstances, as Rob doesn’t make the kind of error. I’m sure his thinking will come out as he is always forthcoming about his decision making. 

That was my thinking too, the Lynn top 5 were all solid, so I could see Kvech getting 5 rides, but not necessarily 7. If he was flying on the day maybe he'd get more.

Lynn would've had a better chance of winning with Kvech, but I wouldn't say it was a guarantee.

[mikebv]

4 hours ago, PhilTheAce said:

why dont you message brady and ask him to show u his injuries, you might stop being a prat then

He doesnt need to contact Brady...

Because he knows more about Brady's injury than the doctor who signed him off...

More than even the physio who spent almost a week helping him to ride on Friday (a Wroclaw paid for physio by the way)..

And more than Mark Lemon, (an ex rider and his manager), who didn't put any pressure on him to ride at Leicester, as he knew the locking up of the bike on such a track, wouldn't help the injury...

And obviously, as everyone knows, if you can complete your rides, you simply cannot be injured...

[GeneralMelchett]

4 hours ago, SUPERACE said:

Spot on Phil, this is the problem with the Keyboard generation, they chat nonsense without sitting down to actually think about what they are saying.  For anyone doubting Brady have a look at Rentrucks twitter post from last night, Brady is dealing/riding with multiple injuries at the moment.  If we had those injury's we wouldn't be working, yet this lad is fighting on, the fact he is riding well doesn't or shouldn't detract from the  pain he is riding through, but hey you keyboarders keep typing.

A lot of people don't engage their brain before they type that's certainly true. As my old man used ot say the internet affords a voice to everyone but not everyone is deserving of that voice -cos if they said what they typed down the pub they'd  be told in no uncertain terms!

Doyle said the same about his injuries - we all know riders do ride with various injuries etc and always have. In the old days a lot of footballers played with injuries too - they just stuck the needle in 10 minutes before KO!

22 minutes ago, mikebv said:

He doesnt need to contact Brady...

Because he knows more about Brady's injury than the doctor who signed him off...

More than even the physio who spent almost a week helping him to ride on Friday (a Wroclaw paid for physio by the way)..

And more than Mark Lemon, (an ex rider and his manager), who didn't put any pressure on him to ride at Leicester, as he knew the locking up of the bike on such a track, wouldn't help the injury...

And obviously, as everyone knows, if you can complete your rides, you simply cannot be injured...

Thing is though whilst i. don't. really care about it all - so many over the years have pulled a few fast ones so there is an assumption of guilt -aftrerall poor Buster hasnt really veer recovered from 'pitgate'

[DJC]

2 hours ago, mikebv said:

He doesnt need to contact Brady...

Because he knows more about Brady's injury than the doctor who signed him off...

More than even the physio who spent almost a week helping him to ride on Friday (a Wroclaw paid for physio by the way)..

And more than Mark Lemon, (an ex rider and his manager), who didn't put any pressure on him to ride at Leicester, as he knew the locking up of the bike on such a track, wouldn't help the injury...

And obviously, as everyone knows, if you can complete your rides, you simply cannot be injured...

One thing is for certain, all the moaning we collectively do about the Poles running the sport and ruining it, you cannot knock their efforts/commitment to get riders fit again.

Watching the Tai video this week, the Wroclaw sponsors must have forked out a serious amount of money to help him get back on his feet so quickly, same with Brady here and there are lots of other incidents where they have paid for all physio costs. 

I don't really remember similar stories over here, outside of the Ben Fund (who do a fantastic job) the help riders get from their clubs appears to be very minimal. 

Edited 6 hours ago by DJC

[Robinh88]

Enjoyed last night but think KLynn would have won with Kvech. Thankfully Kurtz and Bewley after his initial blip came to save the day. As GP riders should do. Be interesting to see what resistance Ipswich's top two put up against the former two.

[Roger Jacobs]

5 hours ago, PhilTheAce said:

they do. they will always have a strong reserve still, they can now get an 8 point rider in for lawson

Because there are loads of 8 point riders queuing up to rid3 in the Premiership ...

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, DJC said:

One thing is for certain, all the moaning we collectively do about the Poles running the sport and ruining it, you cannot knock their efforts/commitment to get riders fit again.

Watching the Tai video this week, the Wroclaw sponsors must have forked out a serious amount of money to help him get back on his feet so quickly, same with Brady here and there are lots of other incidents where they have paid for all physio costs. 

I've don't really remember similar stories over here, outside of the Ben Fund (who do a fantastic job) the help riders get from their clubs appears to be very minimal. 

Dan Bewley too....

Major rehab.....