LisaColette Posted July 3 Author Report Share Posted July 3 27 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: Can anyone fathom a reason for why that track produces such poor racing? As I mentioned last night, I remember Wimborne Road producing magical racing with the SWC. Heat thirteen was good last night, but it took seven - yes, seven - heats before we saw a pass beyond the second bend. All in all, I counted four passes the entire evening after the first lap. Poole are going to win this league. They wiped the floor with us, but what they serve on that track from an entertainment perspective will play its part in killing British speedway. Interesting as at the time everyone moaned it was too slick lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 9 hours ago, Arthur54 said: You haven't seen matches from Leicester or Birmingham lately then Terrible tracks they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 44 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: Can anyone fathom a reason for why that track produces such poor racing? win at all costs mentality? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 Seen heat 13 on you tube, good race until Bomber went off the blue groove then it was all over, might as well have tracks be eight feet wide when it’s like that because going any further out and you just go backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 12 hours ago, IainB said: She's even training the next generation of referee... the sport is in safe hands 👩🦯 😉 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 58 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: Can anyone fathom a reason for why that track produces such poor racing? As I mentioned last night, I remember Wimborne Road producing magical racing with the SWC. Heat thirteen was good last night, but it took seven - yes, seven - heats before we saw a pass beyond the second bend. All in all, I counted four passes the entire evening after the first lap. Poole are going to win this league. They wiped the floor with us, but what they serve on that track from an entertainment perspective will play its part in killing British speedway. How on earth is the Poole track killing British speedway? We have the biggest crowds and the Pirate fans all left very happy indeed last night. They will be back in a fortnight against Edinburgh. We have had 3 days on the trot where temperatures were above 30C. Yesterday reached 28C. The track staff did a tremendous job in keeping the dust away. When a strong home team turn up against a weakened away team, the result was never in doubt. If the fans don’t like what they see, we would get Workington sized crowds, as the racing is meant to be better there, right? Funny that crowds don’t turn up there on a super race track, but they come in their droves to Wimborne Road on a “terrible, crap track”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 14 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: How on earth is the Poole track killing British speedway? We have the biggest crowds and the Pirate fans all left very happy indeed last night. They will be back in a fortnight against Edinburgh. We have had 3 days on the trot where temperatures were above 30C. Yesterday reached 28C. The track staff did a tremendous job in keeping the dust away. When a strong home team turn up against a weakened away team, the result was never in doubt. If the fans don’t like what they see, we would get Workington sized crowds, as the racing is meant to be better there, right? Funny that crowds don’t turn up there on a super race track, but they come in their droves to Wimborne Road on a “terrible, crap track”. And there you have hit the nail on the head. However catchment area, disposable income, support from regional media and proximity of other professional sports may have an impact on the above statement. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 16 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: How on earth is the Poole track killing British speedway? We have the biggest crowds and the Pirate fans all left very happy indeed last night. They will be back in a fortnight against Edinburgh. We have had 3 days on the trot where temperatures were above 30C. Yesterday reached 28C. The track staff did a tremendous job in keeping the dust away. When a strong home team turn up against a weakened away team, the result was never in doubt. If the fans don’t like what they see, we would get Workington sized crowds, as the racing is meant to be better there, right? Funny that crowds don’t turn up there on a super race track, but they come in their droves to Wimborne Road on a “terrible, crap track”. Crowd was a bit sparse at Belle Vue the other night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 12 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: How on earth is the Poole track killing British speedway? We have the biggest crowds and the Pirate fans all left very happy indeed last night. They will be back in a fortnight against Edinburgh. We have had 3 days on the trot where temperatures were above 30C. Yesterday reached 28C. The track staff did a tremendous job in keeping the dust away. When a strong home team turn up against a weakened away team, the result was never in doubt. If the fans don’t like what they see, we would get Workington sized crowds, as the racing is meant to be better there, right? Funny that crowds don’t turn up there on a super race track, but they come in their droves to Wimborne Road on a “terrible, crap track”. I don't have a team to follow these days, having lost mine 20 years ago. My observation at Poole, when I visit 3 or so times a year, is that the Ford's always put together title challenging sides which appeal to the Poole supporters. The Poole supporters favour winning over lots of passing, and they are good at it. It's not for me, as a neutral, but it works for them and is successful in terms of numbers attending. My perception is that the quality of racing was better in the past, but it is easy for the mind to just filter good memories 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 18 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: How on earth is the Poole track killing British speedway? We have the biggest crowds and the Pirate fans all left very happy indeed last night. They will be back in a fortnight against Edinburgh. We have had 3 days on the trot where temperatures were above 30C. Yesterday reached 28C. The track staff did a tremendous job in keeping the dust away. When a strong home team turn up against a weakened away team, the result was never in doubt. If the fans don’t like what they see, we would get Workington sized crowds, as the racing is meant to be better there, right? Funny that crowds don’t turn up there on a super race track, but they come in their droves to Wimborne Road on a “terrible, crap track”. I guarantee a lot of last nights crowd won't be back in a fortnight they will have gone home, but there will be a fresh set of holidaymakers in,lot of people commenting last night how busy the area is at present with visitors,great for poole speedway but they're definitely not avid speedway fans and certainly not poole fans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 speedway is in the entertainment sector, sadly last nights meeting was not entertaining. For the sport to evolve it needs to attract new and young fans to go to meetings and thus be entertained. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 Poole speedway supplies Poole supporters with what makes them come back in their droves - are Poole’s crowd levels the best in the country? - riders who want to be there and victories. If the track isn’t the best so what? Poole wanted the win but the weak opposition made for largely processional racing. Let’s face it, Glasgow came expecting to be beaten. Their choice of guests always looked poor and so it proved. I’m probably crazy saying this but most of the time I love the racing at Poole. There are no easy laps, no Polish style flat out road racing but instead, riders don’t have time to relax - just look at the entertainment served up by two of the leagues best, Lawson and Harris. On the detail - Lawson dirty? He had Hodder beaten and left him plenty of room. And the fast start that some thought the referee missed? Transponders are what are now used to determine a jump. Even by a fraction. No red light equals no jump 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 30 minutes ago, Odds On said: speedway is in the entertainment sector, sadly last nights meeting was not entertaining. For the sport to evolve it needs to attract new and young fans to go to meetings and thus be entertained. For first timers and noobs... you can't fail to be entertained (at a normally run meeting) just for the spectacle of 4 riders blasting around on 500cc bikes with no brakes. It's only when you've been to a few and that initial awe has worn off that you suss out that this really ain't very good at all... but if you stick at it you'll see a belter of a meeting, or a consistently winning team, that might keep you coming back for more. Define young fans... most "young fans" I've seen at Speedway couldn't really care less what's going on out on the track, they're normally just running around in circles causing a nuisance to everybody, but who cares the parents can come along and the kids only cost a quid. By the time the older "young fans" have developed an actual interest in the sport they are fast approaching a 2000% price increase and when they hit that they are lost to the sport for the next 20/30 years or so while they're out chasing boys/girls and drinking themselves into a stupor and maybe getting into other more mainstream sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Templeton Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 I'm told that transponders are not being used this year so far, at Poole. Whether this applies to other tracks, I don't know. Clarification would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 Glasgow need to be careful not to come over with the track superiority complex thats become prevalent when we get pumped, usually at Poole. Cami's early meeting interview reeked of it. All it does is breed resentment, something we hated Edinburgh for 20 years ago. The reality of last night is we have learned nothing from the last 4/5 years of going to Poole mid season and taking a trouncing. Yes, it seems Poole prepare that track just for Glasgow visiting but our inability to gate consistently is Glasgow's failing not Poole's. They are a very good team who were never going to lose last night. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 Didn't go to the meeting so can't comment on the track, but that aside maybe there is a glimmer of hope , a track runs on its preferred night, it has a team that is manned by riders who are 90% plus committed to riding in the UK and over 3k turn up. Granted its against decent opposition and a new talent was being wheeled out. However it goes to show if you could get rid of doubling up, multiple guests, run on your preferred night, promote the sport locally, try and keep 3-4 of the team year after year so supporters can relate to them you might have a chance of breaking even or making a small profit. If you had of had Holder and Ward there v Doyle and Emil last night you would probably have got 4k plus in but it goes to show if things fall into place there is still a market for speedway at a rider level seen last night even though the super stars weren't there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 Must say what a breath of fresh air Will Cairns was last night, doing donuts after his last ride, running the whole circuit high fiveing the fans, long may it continue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, YeOldPitGate said: Didn't go to the meeting so can't comment on the track, but that aside maybe there is a glimmer of hope , a track runs on its preferred night, it has a team that is manned by riders who are 90% plus committed to riding in the UK and over 3k turn up. Granted its against decent opposition and a new talent was being wheeled out. However it goes to show if you could get rid of doubling up, multiple guests, run on your preferred night, promote the sport locally, try and keep 3-4 of the team year after year so supporters can relate to them you might have a chance of breaking even or making a small profit. If you had of had Holder and Ward there v Doyle and Emil last night you would probably have got 4k plus in but it goes to show if things fall into place there is still a market for speedway at a rider level seen last night even though the super stars weren't there. Hold on, doubling up is a red herring as 5 of the Poole team double up one way or another as signed riders or regularly guesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 26 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: Must say what a breath of fresh air Will Cairns was last night, doing donuts after his last ride, running the whole circuit high fiveing the fans, long may it continue High fiveing the fans, something that happens all the time in Sweden and Poland. Cost nothing, but gets greater interaction with the fans 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted July 3 Report Share Posted July 3 2 hours ago, Wee Eck said: Transponders are what are now used to determine a jump. Even by a fraction. No red light equals no jump They can not determine if a rider jumps the start they can only give lap times and final over the line finishes and everybody saw Lewi jump apart from the ref who really needs to go to spec savers lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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