dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 11 hours ago, tellboy said: I suppose Rob has the right to do so.If Harrison wasnt allowed in ht13 as you say,the ref got it wrong imo. The question was could his 3rd ride be heat 15 - being refused a switch in 13 was never an issue Personally I have no doubt Rob Lyon knew the answer and it was mo more than a well timed piece of gamesmanship from a wily old campaigner! The worrying part is the fact referee didn't seem to know such a basic regulation off pat! Rob's actions and use to make the most of the reserve across both legs made a significant contribution to the result - particularly manipulating a Kvech win in heat 8 of the first leg........ Good luck to Lynn in the final 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 8 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: One thing that confuses me, so Rob Lyon wanted to use Harrison in heat 15 for his 3rd ride, so why not just use him in heat 13 instead? It would be against the same 2 Ipswich riders? Why would using Harrison in 15 be any more beneficial than in 13? Either way allows Klindt in 12 & 14! Even if the argument was to not take a ride away from Lawson in heat 13, you could just give him heat 15 instead. its not really confusing is it the idea was to get the tie won before 15 when harrisons third ride would be moot personally id have gone harrsion in 13 too but lawson is perfectly capable of popping out and taking points from doyle & emil so can see why he got the ride suspect he wanted klindt for 15 although id have put him in 14 rather than kerr so good job im not manager 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 17 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The question was could his 3rd ride be heat 15 - being refused a switch in 13 was never an issue Personally I have no doubt Rob Lyon knew the answer and it was mo more than a well timed piece of gamesmanship from a wily old campaigner! The worrying part is the fact referee didn't seem to know such a basic regulation off pat! Rob's actions and use to make the most of the reserve across both legs made a significant contribution to the result - particularly manipulating a Kvech win in heat 8 of the first leg........ Good luck to Lynn in the final Sorry,didn't realise it was ht15.I wasn't there i was just replying to ShanoXtra who was and he said it was ht13.I suppose he may have got confused then as the delay was before ht13. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Did Klindt hit King in heat 6 going into the first turn as he was looking back and slowed down before the red lights came on. Should it have been all four back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 12 hours ago, Hawk127 said: Too many years of putting heart and soul into Ipswich having stopped it going under in the 90’s and then pandering to the hierarchy who run the sport to not selling out to Mr Chapmam to not having weekly meetings and being left with what is a shadow of what the sport was just a few years back, just how much does an owner/ promoter persevere before you decide I am flogging a dead horse. I remember weekly meetings at Foxhall with good support and every effort was made to get a meeting on despite the weather etc but now that has all gone by the wayside. The Louis family have put more than most into the sport but surely they eventually draw the line on a failing business model. I suppose you could the same for all promoters as speedway today is a failing business model, i wonder how much Tolley lost investing in Birmingham? Whatever they come up with next season will be interesting as i can still see self interest prevailing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 16 minutes ago, tellboy said: Sorry,didn't realise it was ht15.I wasn't there i was just replying to ShanoXtra who was and he said it was ht13.I suppose he may have got confused then as the delay was before ht13. No apology required - I wasn't there either! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Big congratulations to the Stars on reaching the KO cup final - and I bet the look on Hawkins face was worth admission fee alone 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Bash said: Did Klindt hit King in heat 6 going into the first turn as he was looking back and slowed down before the red lights came on. Should it have been all four back No if anything I think he got a nudge from Doyle. Agreed first bend bunching so should have been all 4 back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevtheRev Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Couldn't Harrison have just touched the tapes in Heat14 and then Klindt have been bought in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 7 minutes ago, KevtheRev said: Couldn't Harrison have just touched the tapes in Heat14 and then Klindt have been bought in? Nope because it doesn’t count as a proper ride, if he had been in heat 14 and done that, it would be three riders in the rerun which would have then counted as a third ride, hope that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 34 minutes ago, KevtheRev said: Couldn't Harrison have just touched the tapes in Heat14 and then Klindt have been bought in? That sums up perfectly the prevailing thought process in Speedway at present - how can we manipulate/cheat to get an advantage.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevtheRev Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 34 minutes ago, marko said: Nope because it doesn’t count as a proper ride, if he had been in heat 14 and done that, it would be three riders in the rerun which would have then counted as a third ride, hope that makes sense. Thanks. Makes sense and probably why it wasn't done lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 think would have to go off 15m anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 17 hours ago, Gavan said: I think you will find we are congratulating Lynn and at the same time not understanding the ref in heat 14… I prefer Lynn fans on here to Belle Vue ones lol Hawkins had no problem with HT 14. So it must of been ok. “It was just hard racing in heat 14, I don’t think the referee did anything wrong. It is one of those things and I have no complaints. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 4 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Hawkins had no problem with HT 14. So it must of been ok. “It was just hard racing in heat 14, I don’t think the referee did anything wrong. It is one of those things and I have no complaints. Exactly as I saw it BB. For anyone with a good memory, it was almost identical to the incident at the NSS a few seasons ago when Doyle came steaming under Bewley and Bewley dropped it. On that occasion the ref got it wrong and excluded Doyley, this time the ref got it spot on IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Aries said: Exactly as I saw it BB. For anyone with a good memory, it was almost identical to the incident at the NSS a few seasons ago when Doyle came steaming under Bewley and Bewley dropped it. On that occasion the ref got it wrong and excluded Doyley, this time the ref got it spot on IMO. A point worth making about heat 14 last night though is that the reason there was no contact is purely down to self preservation from Dan T Should you have to take a hit from an incoming missile in order to benefit from exclusion decision? Certainly being in one piece is far more important than the result....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 6 hours ago, Bash said: Did Klindt hit King in heat 6 going into the first turn as he was looking back and slowed down before the red lights came on. Should it have been all four back I didn’t think he did. The ref must have had a good view. The track certainly did respond the way it did for King the week before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 28 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: A point worth making about heat 14 last night though is that the reason there was no contact is purely down to self preservation from Dan T Should you have to take a hit from an incoming missile in order to benefit from exclusion decision? Certainly being in one piece is far more important than the result....... He left such a gap - I think he should have turned earlier, and Kerr wouldn’t have had the opportunity. As we saw from several riders, the wider area provided nothing by way of grip - it was only if they stuck their back wheel on the inner edge of the dirt line. Maybe Thompson was aiming for that, Kerr simply dived under him and negotiated the bend quite easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 7 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The question was could his 3rd ride be heat 15 - being refused a switch in 13 was never an issue Personally I have no doubt Rob Lyon knew the answer and it was mo more than a well timed piece of gamesmanship from a wily old campaigner! The worrying part is the fact referee didn't seem to know such a basic regulation off pat! Rob's actions and use to make the most of the reserve across both legs made a significant contribution to the result - particularly manipulating a Kvech win in heat 8 of the first leg........ Good luck to Lynn in the final I am inclined to agree that it was a bit of gaming from Lyon - the ref in the other hand should have known - even I sodding knew and I have never even read the rule book!! what people have also overlooked is it gets the KL / Ipswich rivalry, which had been really one sided of late back, to a more even footing which can only been good for the sport - a few boos a a panto villain in Kerr and Rob Lyon playing silly beggars over a rule!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin bass Posted July 18 Report Share Posted July 18 Well young Dan must of picked up a knock last night because he's not riding for Glasgow 2night because of a knee injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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