Belle Vue v Ipswich Monday 4th August Live on TV

[racers and royals]

This is the next TV match at 7.30pm on TNT Sports 1.

[BluPanther]

With their massive home track advantage, it will be a comfortable home win... 😂

[gjcone44]

got to be a throttle jockey to get round there. no track craft needed, 🤣

[mikebv]

2 hours ago, BluPanther said:

With their massive home track advantage, it will be a comfortable home win... 😂

There will be far too many passes too...

It will get boring after the first ten or so...

[IainB]

4 hours ago, mikebv said:

There will be far too many passes too...

It will get boring after the first ten or so...

You say that, but... passing should be difficult and riders should be utilising all their riding skills to accomplish that pass or it just becomes all too easy and dare I say it boring, that's why I'm not a fan of the Scunny track, yes there's a lot of passing but I've seen riders make passes at that track and I couldn't really say how they've made the pass, it just seems a bit random... like the speedway equivalent of Basketball, when they just score a basket and then go up the other end and score a basket and vice versa until the clock runs down, or the passing that goes on at the Indy 500.

Edited yesterday at 06:26 PM by IainB

[Gavan]

3 hours ago, IainB said:

You say that, but... passing should be difficult and riders should be utilising all their riding skills to accomplish that pass or it just becomes all too easy and dare I say it boring, that's why I'm not a fan of the Scunny track, yes there's a lot of passing but I've seen riders make passes at that track and I couldn't really say how they've made the pass, it just seems a bit random... like the speedway equivalent of Basketball, when they just score a basket and then go up the other end and score a basket and vice versa until the clock runs down, or the passing that goes on at the Indy 500.

You can’t say this to Belle Vue fans they can’t accept it 

We all know Belle Vue is the best track in the country 

Many passes at Belle Vue are simply the home riders going out in the dirt and blasting round the outside … yes it’s fast it looks good but it isn’t skillful …..the best races (British final last race) will happen at Belle Vue because the track lends itself to great racing 

I diner need prefer the technical aspect and seeing top riders ride all the different tracks

Watch on you tube Loram v Karlsson brothers at Monmore Green or Eastbourne v Poole in 1999 and tell me they aren’t fantastic races/meetings by world class riders who could ride all sorts of tracks not just ones that need fast bikes 

As much as I want Kurtz to win the world title I wonder if riders like him or even Zmarzlik would have ever coped with those tracks and not just the rocket ship big tracks abroad today 

I saw an interview with Todd Wiltshire and he said the most talented riders he had ever seen was Mark Loram Joe Screen and Andrew Silver around Arena Essex… Wiltshire said the skill levels were off the charts 

I expect Belle Vue to win by 14-16 and I hope there is some good racing …. Though I’m expecting race updates to read about ‘Witches make the start before (insert any Belle Vue rider) goes around them on bends 3-4”….. to me I prefer 2 riders battling and skill required for the overtake 

But yes the NSS is the best track gives the best racing …. But accept that other tracks do too 

[Col]

I'm not convinced Aces will win this... Witches bottom end will out score Mulford & Zishcke easily.  Brennan, King & Ellis are likely to get the better of Blodorn too.  No fumbles allowed from Cook or Lidsey either.

Ipswich have gone off the boil considering their dominant early season form.

And Gavan is wrong... there are lots of passes on the inside at the NSS.

 

 

[Gavan]

6 hours ago, Col said:

I'm not convinced Aces will win this... Witches bottom end will out score Mulford & Zishcke easily.  Brennan, King & Ellis are likely to get the better of Blodorn too.  No fumbles allowed from Cook or Lidsey either.

Ipswich have gone off the boil considering their dominant early season form.

And Gavan is wrong... there are lots of passes on the inside at the NSS.

 

 

I know there is passing up the inside as well lol….. and I know it’s the best track just sometimes all out fast as you can go can be just as boring as other tracks 

[mikebv]

I much prefer those "technical" tracks where riders can ride sideways into the bends, blocking the track almost completely, meaning the rider behind has to follow exactly the same line...

With him then hoping the rider in front gets some extra grip and gets fired "right" towards the fence, meaning a pass may then take place...

The anticipation of waiting for some passing after bend two, lap one, for sometimes 15 heats in a row is simply breathtaking...

To be honest, I am not sure the promoters of Redcar, Worky, Glasgow, Scunthorpe and the NSS know how boring all the passing that takes place there can be....

Edit. Forgot to mention the blue groove that can also appear on the "technical" tracks. For me, that "Azure Blue" hue adds colour and excitement to the event given all the riders use their throttle skills to constantly ride over it, never moving off it, and all skillfully keeping the same distance apart from each other for the entire race.....

Edited 13 hours ago by mikebv

[Steve Irving]

41 minutes ago, mikebv said:

I much prefer those "technical" tracks where riders can ride sideways into the bends, blocking the track almost completely, meaning the rider behind has to follow exactly the same line...

With him then hoping the rider in front gets some extra grip and gets fired "right" towards the fence, meaning a pass may then take place...

The anticipation of waiting for some passing after bend two, lap one, for sometimes 15 heats in a row is simply breathtaking...

To be honest, I am not sure the promoters of Redcar, Worky, Glasgow, Scunthorpe and the NSS know how boring all the passing that takes place there can be....

Edit. Forgot to mention the blue groove that can also appear on the "technical" tracks. For me, that "Azure Blue" hue adds colour and excitement to the event given all the riders use their throttle skills to constantly ride over it, never moving off it, and all skillfully keeping the same distance apart from each other for the entire race.....

Are you incapable of making any sort of point or counter argument without being a sly sarcastic pr!ck?

The point Gavan makes is a fair one. The passing at the NSS is a regular occurrence and I’m sorry, but you CAN get a bit blase with it. “Oh there’s another one”

It’s such a big wide open track that a lot of the passes there are unimpressive. You can have an away rider going in to the bends mid track, and can get comfortably passed inside and out by both home riders without even getting close to each other. 
 

You don’t get anywhere near the amount of passing at some of the smaller technical tracks, like Eastbourne, Mildenhall etc, but when they do come , you can certainly get more of a wow moment and “how the hell did he manage that?”

Ive seen riders make passes at those tracks that took huge skill, and huge b0llocks to squeeze around riders through gaps that didn’t even look possible to get through. Those moments when they come can produce more excitement than any routine pass in every heat at an NSS meeting. To just dismiss that as being inferior shows an elitist attitude and pure snobbery on your behalf. 
 

the NSS is also capable of wow moments of course. The British final wasn’t just one of the best races I’ve seen in recent years, it has to go down as one of the best races I’ve ever seen, period. 
 

But I wouldn’t want to watch my speedway exclusively from Belle Vue. I prefer a variety of Speedway on different tracks of different shapes and sizes. 

[therefused]

2 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

Are you incapable of making any sort of point or counter argument without being a sly sarcastic pr!ck?

are you incapable of making any sort of point or counter argument without insulting someone?

[AceBelle]

37 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

Are you incapable of making any sort of point or counter argument without being a sly sarcastic pr!ck?

The point Gavan makes is a fair one. The passing at the NSS is a regular occurrence and I’m sorry, but you CAN get a bit blase with it. “Oh there’s another one”

It’s such a big wide open track that a lot of the passes there are unimpressive. You can have an away rider going in to the bends mid track, and can get comfortably passed inside and out by both home riders without even getting close to each other. 
 

You don’t get anywhere near the amount of passing at some of the smaller technical tracks, like Eastbourne, Mildenhall etc, but when they do come , you can certainly get more of a wow moment and “how the hell did he manage that?”

Ive seen riders make passes at those tracks that took huge skill, and huge b0llocks to squeeze around riders through gaps that didn’t even look possible to get through. Those moments when they come can produce more excitement than any routine pass in every heat at an NSS meeting. To just dismiss that as being inferior shows an elitist attitude and pure snobbery on your behalf. 
 

the NSS is also capable of wow moments of course. The British final wasn’t just one of the best races I’ve seen in recent years, it has to go down as one of the best races I’ve ever seen, period. 
 

But I wouldn’t want to watch my speedway exclusively from Belle Vue. I prefer a variety of Speedway on different tracks of different shapes and sizes. 

Riders want to race when they miss the gate not get stuck on a track where it's virtually impossible to pass 😡majority of fans pay there money for entertainment & not follow the leader🙈

[ouch]

My issue is not the quality or skill required to make a pass, it’s the infrequent or total absence of this at some tracks. I will never get bored of the RACING at the NSS but I and many others get bored with some of the heats that are served up regularly at other tracks. There needs to be a minimum of two racing lines at all tracks that are successful used throughout the meeting and not just once in a blue moon that then somehow is used to “prove” how good a track is. 
Funny how things change and now throttle jockey is a derogatory term when back in the day it was gating tart. I know which I’d rather watch.

Looking forward to this one after a fallow period at the NSS. Two teams tied on 31 points at the top of the table should make a spectacular event with both teams optimistic of a good result. The Aces are slowly clicking into place as the play offs approach. If Norick has got over his niggling injuries and Zach continues his improvement it could be ominous for other teams as we all see how  Dan & Brady will step up at the big events. Tate still making baby steps in the top division but with the amount of laps he has I’m expecting the real deal any time soon. 

[ouch]

My issue is not the quality or skill required to make a pass, it’s the infrequent or total absence of this at some tracks. I will never get bored of the RACING at the NSS but I and many others get bored with some of the heats that are served up regularly at other tracks. There needs to be a minimum of two racing lines at all tracks that are successful used throughout the meeting and not just once in a blue moon that then somehow is used to “prove” how good a track is. 
Funny how things change and now throttle jockey is a derogatory term when back in the day it was gating tart. I know which I’d rather watch.

Looking forward to this one after a fallow period at the NSS. Two teams tied on 31 points at the top of the table should make a spectacular event with both teams optimistic of a good result. The Aces are slowly clicking into place as the play offs approach. If Norick has got over his niggling injuries and Zach continues his improvement it could be ominous for other teams as we all see how  Dan & Brady will step up at the big events. Tate still making baby steps in the top division but with the amount of laps he has I’m expecting the real deal any time soon. 

[Gavan]

2 hours ago, Steve Irving said:

Are you incapable of making any sort of point or counter argument without being a sly sarcastic pr!ck?

The point Gavan makes is a fair one. The passing at the NSS is a regular occurrence and I’m sorry, but you CAN get a bit blase with it. “Oh there’s another one”

It’s such a big wide open track that a lot of the passes there are unimpressive. You can have an away rider going in to the bends mid track, and can get comfortably passed inside and out by both home riders without even getting close to each other. 
 

You don’t get anywhere near the amount of passing at some of the smaller technical tracks, like Eastbourne, Mildenhall etc, but when they do come , you can certainly get more of a wow moment and “how the hell did he manage that?”

Ive seen riders make passes at those tracks that took huge skill, and huge b0llocks to squeeze around riders through gaps that didn’t even look possible to get through. Those moments when they come can produce more excitement than any routine pass in every heat at an NSS meeting. To just dismiss that as being inferior shows an elitist attitude and pure snobbery on your behalf. 
 

the NSS is also capable of wow moments of course. The British final wasn’t just one of the best races I’ve seen in recent years, it has to go down as one of the best races I’ve ever seen, period. 
 

But I wouldn’t want to watch my speedway exclusively from Belle Vue. I prefer a variety of Speedway on different tracks of different shapes and sizes. 

Hit the nail on the head

Belle Vue fans are spoilt by their track they forget that there has never been a track in the uk as good and now feel every speedway meeting should have 20 passes

Go watch Emil in heat 10 against Leicester recently …. That’s skill on a bike and not just winding it on

[mikebv]

2 hours ago, therefused said:

are you incapable of making any sort of point or counter argument without insulting someone?

A tough guy, obviously., wouldn't mess with him......

Edited 9 hours ago by mikebv

[gjcone44]

12 hours ago, Gavan said:

You can’t say this to Belle Vue fans they can’t accept it 

We all know Belle Vue is the best track in the country 

Many passes at Belle Vue are simply the home riders going out in the dirt and blasting round the outside … yes it’s fast it looks good but it isn’t skillful …..the best races (British final last race) will happen at Belle Vue because the track lends itself to great racing 

I diner need prefer the technical aspect and seeing top riders ride all the different tracks

Watch on you tube Loram v Karlsson brothers at Monmore Green or Eastbourne v Poole in 1999 and tell me they aren’t fantastic races/meetings by world class riders who could ride all sorts of tracks not just ones that need fast bikes 

As much as I want Kurtz to win the world title I wonder if riders like him or even Zmarzlik would have ever coped with those tracks and not just the rocket ship big tracks abroad today 

I saw an interview with Todd Wiltshire and he said the most talented riders he had ever seen was Mark Loram Joe Screen and Andrew Silver around Arena Essex… Wiltshire said the skill levels were off the charts 

I expect Belle Vue to win by 14-16 and I hope there is some good racing …. Though I’m expecting race updates to read about ‘Witches make the start before (insert any Belle Vue rider) goes around them on bends 3-4”….. to me I prefer 2 riders battling and skill required for the overtake 

But yes the NSS is the best track gives the best racing …. But accept that other tracks do too 

so your saying you dont need skill or track craft to ride Bellevue. so Ipswich riders struggle at Bellevue because they are too skill full. 🤣 they need too dumb themselves down then.🤪

[SPEEDY69]

3 hours ago, AceBelle said:

Riders want to race when they miss the gate not get stuck on a track where it's virtually impossible to pass 😡majority of fans pay there money for entertainment & not follow the leader🙈

But that's the point and what separates the really great riders from the fast but not so great.  It's not impossible to pass but takes great skill and effort, not just make the bike faster.

[ouch]

33 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

But that's the point and what separates the really great riders from the fast but not so great.  It's not impossible to pass but takes great skill and effort, not just make the bike faster.

So now and for the last decade or more we have had no really great riders that can pass. Not even Crump was immune to dropping points on gate’n’go tracks if he missed the gate.

Instead of making tracks so only really great riders can (possibly) pass, why not make it so the not so great riders can pass and we can all be entertained?

[AceBelle]

3 hours ago, Gavan said:

Hit the nail on the head

Belle Vue fans are spoilt by their track they forget that there has never been a track in the uk as good and now feel every speedway meeting should have 20 passes

Go watch Emil in heat 10 against Leicester recently …. That’s skill on a bike and not just winding it on

Wrong Hyde Road was Better than the NSS 👍