dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted Saturday at 05:59 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 05:59 PM 15 minutes ago, IainB said: He's 100% the better option if you want your team member to turn up and ride for your club on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday May as well go completely amateur and make it the "£10 sport" that lots used to spout on about incessantly until recently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 06:09 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 06:09 PM 9 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: May as well go completely amateur and make it the "£10 sport" that lots used to spout on about incessantly until recently Yes, but... with the cost of living £20 is the new £10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted Saturday at 06:18 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 06:18 PM On 8/27/2025 at 8:28 AM, HGould said: My gut reaction to 2026 is that it will still be a 3 tier structure. Specifically Chris Louis will cling on to the TV Money and GP stars like King Canute trying to stop the rising tide, he'll be supported by KIngs Lynn / Belle Vue and Sheffield, and enough pressure will be put on Leicester to remain in a "top tier" and if they have to, they'll go 5 team League with even more of the TV slice 7 hours ago, B.V 72 said: So will one big weaker league work i have done a little research to help you decide. First of all we say goodbye to the 6 GP riders BK,DB,JD,MF,JH,JK,+ES. Then i checked which of the riders left double up both leagues and found that all but 15 of them do. These riders who do not are. J Lidsey, N Blodorn, T Brennan, R Douglas, J Pickering, C Holder, T Musielak, M Zagar, K Rew, N K Iversen, B Cook, M Janowski, R Tungate, L Becker, A Ellis. I found that of the above riders that 3 of them ride in the Polish top league. 9 of them ride in the Polish 2nd division. 2 of them ride in the Polish 3rd division. Also 8 of them ride in the Swedish top league and 4 of them also ride in the Danish league. So the question is how many of these riders would fancy riding in a league that runs on 6 days of the week of which non of them choose to do now. Hopefully some do but looking at the possibility that they do not. I have found that 19 riders in the Championship have averages over 7 points these riders are S Masters R Lawson, D King, N klindt, C Harris, C Wright, P Kildermand, S Worrall, K Howarth, E Riss, Z Cook, D Kemp, J Sedgman, D Thompson, J Allen, T Batchelor, A Rowe, A Vuolas and L Flint. So 15 of these riders spread over 15 teams will be the new number 1s. So what happens if the sport manages to release "Chris Louis's grip on the current folly" (sic) and we have the rider list outlined in the BV72 example The likes of BV Ippo Sheffield and Leicester will still have better crowds and backing and will hoover up the top 10 of that select band unless there is complete rider control They will also attract the top emerging talent whenever it becomes available The cream will always rise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 06:25 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 06:25 PM 4 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: So what happens if the sport manages to release "Chris Louis's grip on the current folly" (sic) and we have the rider list outlined in the BV72 example The likes of BV Ippo Sheffield and Leicester will still have better crowds and backing and will hoover up the top 10 of that select band unless there is complete rider control They will also attract the top emerging talent whenever it becomes available The cream will always rise But it will be affordable cream that is delivered when you want it to be delivered to taste its best to attract lots of, erm, cream drinkers... I'll stop now 🤔😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwaySlider72 Posted yesterday at 06:41 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:41 AM 12 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The likes of BV Ippo Sheffield and Leicester will still have better crowds and backing and will hoover up the top 10 of that select band unless there is complete rider control Team building averages balance things up as you know ...and the teams won't be losing spadefuls of cash as many are right now. That's the main point of the shake up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted yesterday at 07:15 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 07:15 AM 33 minutes ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: Team building averages balance things up as you know ...and the teams won't be losing spadefuls of cash as many are right now. That's the main point of the shake up. Looks like we will need 5 man teams with a limit set at around 20 then.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted yesterday at 11:42 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 11:42 AM 4 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Looks like we will need 5 man teams with a limit set at around 20 then.... From what I'm hearing at the moment, it'll NOT be a one league structure. However it's still only August with another 2 months or so to the AGM, so anything can still change.....! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago On 8/30/2025 at 6:42 PM, IainB said: He's 100% the better option if you want your team member to turn up and ride for your club on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday And, to someone with a couple of young kids, who has heard of the sport but currently doesnt attend their local track due to the cost of admission... Simon Lambert is just as well known as Emil.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago Whatever they do, the must have the plan to get more people into their tracks... By whatever means necessary... Big crowds means better atmosphere, and better atmosphere means better meetings (regardless of the actual racing quality), and delivers that virtuous circle of people wanting to attend again... And interests potential sponsors and media... Most races, regardless of whether GP or NDL riders are racing, are from the gate and strung out, and has been that way since I started watching in 1969... The difference being the size of the crowd maintains the atmosphere which then generates the repeat visits... Although, the caveat is it also must be allied to you having an emotional attachment to your team, which currently isn't the case given so many times "your team" are not really "your team".... Kurtz and Bewley are great to watch on a Monday, but, I would almost guarantee, many more would watch them on a Friday or Saturday... Which shows that those nights are key... The challenge therefore is to use those nights more.. The personnel on show may be different though than what many "die hards" would want to watch, but there isn't enough of them currently to justify continuing on the same pathway... Alternatively of course, they could just run the sport properly and make the sport credible with some decent reward and kudos for winning, and have an admiisson cost, and marketing strategy that brings people in.. And, therefore keep doing it on a Monday and a Thursday.. That though, so far, has proved somewhat elusive hasn't it?... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 1 hour ago, mikebv said: Whatever they do, the must have the plan to get more people into their tracks... By whatever means necessary... Big crowds means better atmosphere, and better atmosphere means better meetings (regardless of the actual racing quality), and delivers that virtuous circle of people wanting to attend again... And interests potential sponsors and media... Most races, regardless of whether GP or NDL riders are racing, are from the gate and strung out, and has been that way since I started watching in 1969... The difference being the size of the crowd maintains the atmosphere which then generates the repeat visits... Although, the caveat is it also must be allied to you having an emotional attachment to your team, which currently isn't the case given so many times "your team" are not really "your team".... Kurtz and Bewley are great to watch on a Monday, but, I would almost guarantee, many more would watch them on a Friday or Saturday... Which shows that those nights are key... The challenge therefore is to use those nights more.. The personnel on show may be different though than what many "die hards" would want to watch, but there isn't enough of them currently to justify continuing on the same pathway... Alternatively of course, they could just run the sport properly and make the sport credible with some decent reward and kudos for winning, and have an admiisson cost, and marketing strategy that brings people in.. And, therefore keep doing it on a Monday and a Thursday.. That though, so far, has proved somewhat elusive hasn't it?... I've always respected your views you make many valid points, there is an element of the above post that poses a stark real issue for me. We see so many times the level of cheating/manipulation that goes on to win a £350 trophy can you imagine just how bent it would get if they had a decent purse for winning the league? I've always said if genuine supporters knew what really went on they'd never go again, very sadly they appear to be finding out and staying away, I haven't been to a meeting for 2 seasons and in the preceding 4 seasons only Cardiff each year and Torun once. Disappointed to say the least. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago On 8/30/2025 at 11:22 AM, B.V 72 said: So will one big weaker league work i have done a little research to help you decide. First of all we say goodbye to the 6 GP riders BK,DB,JD,MF,JH,JK,+ES. Then i checked which of the riders left double up both leagues and found that all but 15 of them do. These riders who do not are. J Lidsey, N Blodorn, T Brennan, R Douglas, J Pickering, C Holder, T Musielak, M Zagar, K Rew, N K Iversen, B Cook, M Janowski, R Tungate, L Becker, A Ellis. I found that of the above riders that 3 of them ride in the Polish top league. 9 of them ride in the Polish 2nd division. 2 of them ride in the Polish 3rd division. Also 8 of them ride in the Swedish top league and 4 of them also ride in the Danish league. So the question is how many of these riders would fancy riding in a league that runs on 6 days of the week of which non of them choose to do now. Hopefully some do but looking at the possibility that they do not. I have found that 19 riders in the Championship have averages over 7 points these riders are S Masters R Lawson, D King, N klindt, C Harris, C Wright, P Kildermand, S Worrall, K Howarth, E Riss, Z Cook, D Kemp, J Sedgman, D Thompson, J Allen, T Batchelor, A Rowe, A Vuolas and L Flint. So 15 of these riders spread over 15 teams will be the new number 1s. So the big hope is that some of the riders from other leagues will want to come over to ride. But looking how hard it is now to replace any injured riders it would seem that not many would So how do we fill the teams. As has been suggested we can lower team numbers if it is lowered to six then we need 90 riders. If my maths are right we are 27 riders short which will have to come from the National league there are 6 teams in that league which is 42 riders 9 of the better riders in this league already ride for championship teams which leaves 33 so that means a lot of very young inexperienced riders will be in all teams There is also the N D T league but most of the teams are filled with N D L riders doubling up so cuts down the choice of younger riders. Not sure if my maths or working outs are spot on but it gives a good idea of how teams will possibly look if we go one big league. In my opinion if they do go one big league having the above number one riders as the best in the league and so many very young inexperienced riders is one hell of a big risk. This is all good stuff and basically correct re riders/skill & availability. However, trying to make one league with sufficient number of teams to race over six nights simply won’t work on a number of levels the most notable being a disparity in skill level unquestionably creating an unacceptable level of dangerous racing - & frankly not particularly entertaining. To get nearer to what one Super League could look like, re run your model based on fixed race nights “as is” and there should be sufficient riders to have 8 teams competing which would include current GP level riders. With no doubling up, the remaining tracks could run semi-pro leagues and individual meetings to include riders from the Super League. But let’s be honest about this. Unfortunately the vast majority of the current promotions have too much self interest at the very root of their thinking which negates any possibility of significant change in the way UK speedway is structured. This unfortunately means we can have as many thoughts & Ideas on what would be best for the sport, but sadly they will remain just “thoughts & ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 4 hours ago, mikebv said: And, to someone with a couple of young kids, who has heard of the sport but currently doesnt attend their local track due to the cost of admission... Simon Lambert is just as well known as Emil.... This would be the type of punter that would attend once and then probably never again I'd say the chances of becoming the desired regular fan would be increased significantly watching Emil as opposed to Simon Unfortunately I accept the cost of attracting more of the Emil type quality is beyond almost all of the current clubs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 44 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: This would be the type of punter that would attend once and then probably never again I'd say the chances of becoming the desired regular fan would be increased significantly watching Emil as opposed to Simon Unfortunately I accept the cost of attracting more of the Emil type quality is beyond almost all of the current clubs Agree... But that first timer needs to be treated differently than they get treated currently... Kids clubs should be a basic at every track, with the aim of getting anyone circa 12 and under signed up... Easy to do if you are providing free tickets... That way you can keep in contact with the family, and, hopefully, get them to make repeat visits... Even if it is at a reduced admission... These people are not there now, so nothing to lose and all to be gained... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, Byker Biker said: I've always respected your views you make many valid points, there is an element of the above post that poses a stark real issue for me. We see so many times the level of cheating/manipulation that goes on to win a £350 trophy can you imagine just how bent it would get if they had a decent purse for winning the league? I've always said if genuine supporters knew what really went on they'd never go again, very sadly they appear to be finding out and staying away, I haven't been to a meeting for 2 seasons and in the preceding 4 seasons only Cardiff each year and Torun once. Disappointed to say the least. I get where you are coming from... Integrity has always been something many have considered "lacking somewhat" for a long, long time.. That lack of independent administration will always hold the sport back given turkeys won't ever vote for Xmas... Edited 2 hours ago by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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