Sheffield Tigers Vs Ipswich Witches - Thursday 28th August

[Fromafar]

36 minutes ago, spin king junior said:

Initially coming in it did look a right old state but after all the work it looked good to me, but truly what do I know, I'm just some fat lad stood in stands who's only chucked his leg over a 125cc.

I was that confident it was going to run I'd gone to grab a pint and whilst in the queue they made the call it was off.

Do feel mostly for the visiting Ipswich fans which there was a good amount and can relate to how they feel- we went all to Birmingham many years ago and in very similar circumstances it absolutely chucked it down just before the meeting and got rained off its crap.

 

Also feel for the track staff who you could see were working absolutely overtime to sort the track. For people who are ultimately volunteers they certainly did not shy away from putting in the effort.

I think the riders could've given it a go personally. But we'll truly never know whether it was some being overly cautious or if the track wasn't rideable.

If it was a GP or in Poland don’t  think certain riders would want to go home.

[noaksey]

10 hours ago, DaveWayne said:

When do you suggest they should have run it then ? Looking at both team's fixtures, either one or both were riding every Thursday from the start of April to today, other than May 8th and May 29th when there were no Premiership matches at all.

Didn't Lynn also get dog's abuse for calling off a meeting the day before and all the experts on here saying the forecast rain didn't come and the track would have been perfect ?

The forecast for Sheffield in the late afternoon was for light rain and none after about 6pm so in theory the meeting could have gone ahead. There was a torrential downpour just after 6 which made the track unrideable and the  track staff did everything they could but not all the riders were happy to race so the ref called it off. How is any of this the fault of the Sheffield promotion ?

How long is the journey from Ipswich to Sheffield ? 3.5 to 4 hours on a good run ? Assuming nobody wants to risk getting there at the last minute, I would guess most fans would be setting off between 2pm and 3pm. Do you expect them to be psychic and call it off 3 hours before it has even rained ?

I would say that it is likely it won't need to be run anyway. If Ipswich win at home next Thursday then the playoffs will be sorted without this match.

Surely if there was a torrential downpour around 6 the turnstiles shouldn't have been opened until the match was going ahead?

[4thbender]

The sad irony is that the heavens opened AGAIN at precisely 9.20pm. Given an 8.30 start, this would have most certainly caused an abandonment at around heat 9 or 10, whereupon some obscure rule would have been invoked as to whether the result does/doesn't stand, after which half the crowd would have gone home in raptures and the other half would have become a riotous mob.

In the final analysis, it strikes me that the riders' indecision allowed the promotion to dodge a bullet!

[4thbender]

3 hours ago, Gavan said:

Seems like the right call to me 

Sheffield is the most dangerous track in the league and add on the conditions it could have been a nightmare 

And before the usual suspects start moaning Sheffield and Belle Vue are the fastest tracks by some way but Sheffield is narrower and as Jack Holder says it only has one real line out wide so it becomes more dangerous on that aspect alone 

Once again this myth rears its ugly head. What evidence do you have to make such an outrageous statement? As  I've written before, you have to go back eleven years to find an incident in which a rider suffered career-changing injuries at Owlerton. How many other PL or CL tracks can make such a claim?

Edited 5 hours ago by 4thbender

[DaveWayne]

57 minutes ago, noaksey said:

Surely if there was a torrential downpour around 6 the turnstiles shouldn't have been opened until the match was going ahead?

I believe the rain started some time between 6 and 6.30, so the turnstiles were already open.

Are you suggesting that once it started to rain heavily they should have close the gates and leave people standing in the rain ?

Everyone will have a readmission ticket which can either be used for the rearranged fixture or refunded so it's not as if the club have gained by opening the turnstiles.

The only winners last night are the stadium owners who would have gained rental income and sold food and drinks to the punters.

[IainB]

11 minutes ago, DaveWayne said:

I believe the rain started some time between 6 and 6.30, so the turnstiles were already open.

Are you suggesting that once it started to rain heavily they should have close the gates and leave people standing in the rain ?

Everyone will have a readmission ticket which can either be used for the rearranged fixture or refunded so it's not as if the club have gained by opening the turnstiles.

The only winners last night are the stadium owners who would have gained rental income and sold food and drinks to the punters.

I'd suggest that there should be some kind of official policy as to what to do in such events that happen quite regularly.

[noaksey]

14 minutes ago, DaveWayne said:

I believe the rain started some time between 6 and 6.30, so the turnstiles were already open.

Are you suggesting that once it started to rain heavily they should have close the gates and leave people standing in the rain ?

Everyone will have a readmission ticket which can either be used for the rearranged fixture or refunded so it's not as if the club have gained by opening the turnstiles.

The only winners last night are the stadium owners who would have gained rental income and sold food and drinks to the punters.

The original post said around 6. 6.30 isnt around 6 but fine, the turnstiles have never been open that early when I've been to Owlerton but the regulars will know more 

As Iain says some kind of official policy on this can only assist. I walked through the turnstiles at Belle Vue just as they announced the meeting was off.

[therefused]

14 hours ago, Gavan said:

Apparently neither Holder brother or Doyle were that keen to race 

hmm i wonder what they all have in common 🤔

[DAVEK]

1 hour ago, noaksey said:

Surely if there was a torrential downpour around 6 the turnstiles shouldn't have been opened until the match was going ahead?

The turnstiles were opened at 6pm. The downpour started after 6:20pm.

Your not going to then close the gates and leave people standing out in that rainstorm.

Imagine the chaos if the meeting was to go ahead at 8:30. How would you get these supporters through the turnstiles in time 

[noaksey]

Just now, DAVEK said:

The turnstiles were opened at 6pm. The downpour started after 6:20pm.

Your not going to then close the gates and leave people standing out in that rainstorm.

Imagine the chaos if the meeting was to go ahead at 8:30. How would you get these supporters through the turnstiles in time 

Thanks for clarifying 

[Gavan]

3 hours ago, Manifesto said:

Unfortunately your number 1 bottled it 

As did your number 1 and number 5…. Aussies do stuck together 

[Gavan]

1 hour ago, 4thbender said:

Once again this myth rears its ugly head. What evidence do you have to make such an outrageous statement? As  I've written before, you have to go back eleven years to find an incident in which a rider suffered career-changing injuries at Owlerton. How many other PL or CL tracks can make such a claim?

You are missing the point 

Ipswich , Leicester, Birmingham and Oxford hardly produce fast speedway 

Lynn to a lesser extent is fast but Belle Vue and Sheffield are the fastest 

Sheffield is narrower and according to your own riders has one line close to the fence 

Its irrelevant about career ending crashes they can happen anywhere 

My point is that as a rider would you rather race in tricky conditions at Sheffield or say Ipswich …… Sheffield would be much riskier in adverse conditions 

[The Third Man]

2 hours ago, 4thbender said:

Once again this myth rears its ugly head. What evidence do you have to make such an outrageous statement? As  I've written before, you have to go back eleven years to find an incident in which a rider suffered career-changing injuries at Owlerton. How many other PL or CL tracks can make such a claim?

Just ignore him because an Ipswich rider got injured at Sheffield it has to be the most dangerous track in the league 

[DaveWayne]

1 hour ago, IainB said:

I'd suggest that there should be some kind of official policy as to what to do in such events that happen quite regularly.

I'm pretty sure there is. 😉

[DaveWayne]

7 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

Just ignore him because an Ipswich rider got injured at Sheffield it has to be the most dangerous track in the league 

The thing is that people are looking at it from a spectator's mentality, not a rider's. They are adrenalin junkies and don't have the same concerns as the average person, otherwise they wouldn't race at all.

Having raced on various tracks up and down the country (on 4 wheels, not 2), I can assure you that Sheffield is without doubt a challenging track, but also very exhilarating to race on. Yes, the riders will admit it is 'dangerous' but once they are out there that goes out of their mind, and getting a win at Sheffield will give any rider a kick.

[4thbender]

11 minutes ago, Gavan said:

You are missing the point 

Ipswich , Leicester, Birmingham and Oxford hardly produce fast speedway 

Lynn to a lesser extent is fast but Belle Vue and Sheffield are the fastest 

Sheffield is narrower and according to your own riders has one line close to the fence 

Its irrelevant about career ending crashes they can happen anywhere 

My point is that as a rider would you rather race in tricky conditions at Sheffield or say Ipswich …… Sheffield would be much riskier in adverse conditions 

Your original statement that "Sheffield is the most dangerous track in the league" is not borne out by historical statistics and is therefore misinformation. Like most teams, Sheffield has seen several of its home riders suffer injuries during recent seasons, but not once have those injuries been incurred at Owlerton. Rather odd considering they are riding at Owlerton week-in, week-out, don't you think?

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, a retraction of your disgraceful and dishonest misrepresentation would be the appropriate measure.

[Spencer]

I feel so sorry for Ipswich fans who made the trip.

[graz gp]

48 minutes ago, Gavan said:

You are missing the point 

Ipswich , Leicester, Birmingham and Oxford hardly produce fast speedway 

Lynn to a lesser extent is fast but Belle Vue and Sheffield are the fastest 

Sheffield is narrower and according to your own riders has one line close to the fence 

Its irrelevant about career ending crashes they can happen anywhere 

My point is that as a rider would you rather race in tricky conditions at Sheffield or say Ipswich …… Sheffield would be much riskier in adverse conditions 

Ask Sean Wilson about one line around Owlerton.

[therefused]

13 minutes ago, graz gp said:

Ask Sean Wilson about one line around Owlerton.

Different track to those days, but Gavan is still talking absolute rubbish as per usual

[GeneralMelchett]

23 minutes ago, graz gp said:

Ask Sean Wilson about one line around Owlerton.

From my recollections Sean was the master on the inside 3rd bend pass, yes there were other lines but that was his trademark.

The best pass I ever saw was Complin on Lindgren in that individual meeting many years back - heck that was brave!

10 minutes ago, therefused said:

Different track to those days, but Gavan is still talking absolute rubbish as per usual

The arrival of the air fence certainly affected it.