Triple.H. Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, TTT said: Keep saying it despite nobody agreeing, Glasgow in the PREM is the only option. If it's one big League then I wonder what will happen to CHAMP clubs already announced signings? Ipswich and Sheffield will surely want King and Pickering back as they'll lose Emil, Doyle, Brennan and both Holder's. How can they ask for them back when riders are no longer club assets ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: How can they ask for them back when riders are no longer club assets ? They can ask but we know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Triple.H. said: How can they ask for them back when riders are no longer club assets ? Does anyone know the definition of an 'asset' in speedway terms. As an Ipswich supporter, my god have we been lucky with the last few years. However, as a speedway fan first and foremost I would happily watch an amateur or semi pro sport if it meant we got the famous names back such as Wolves, Cradley, Coventry,Swindon, Peterborough and anyone else I apologise for not mentioning. If the sport went back to this footing and became affordable then who knows. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, IainB said: The people running (ruining) our sport really are quite impressive Is Rome burning? Or Rugby in this case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 6 minutes ago, TB1 said: Is Rome burning? Or Rugby in this case! There's certainly a bit of fiddling going on! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerIain Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 15 minutes ago, TTT said: Keep saying it despite nobody agreeing, Glasgow in the PREM is the only option. If it's one big League then I wonder what will happen to CHAMP clubs already announced signings? Ipswich and Sheffield will surely want King and Pickering back as they'll lose Emil, Doyle, Brennan and both Holder's. Nobody agrees because you're wrong. Glasgow lose enough money in the Championship, and that is on their fans preferred race night, with lots of local derbies and rivalries. None of the 5 Premier teams hold any of the appeal of a visit from Edinburgh, Berwick or Poole. Or Redcar or Workington. 1 season propping up the Premiership and the financial losses associated with that could be the end of the current promotion and no one in Glasgow wants that. I genuinely can't see many Glasgow fans wanting to move up a division. One other thing, where would Glasgow, or any other 6th team, get a competitive team from? An Oxford/Birmingham select from last year would still finish miles behind the other 5 teams, and would provide little excitement. That's partly why the Premiership is struggling, because whenever anyone steps up the others refuse to share their riders and the new team end up as cannon fodder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 13 minutes ago, TigerIain said: Nobody agrees because you're wrong. Glasgow lose enough money in the Championship, and that is on their fans preferred race night, with lots of local derbies and rivalries. None of the 5 Premier teams hold any of the appeal of a visit from Edinburgh, Berwick or Poole. Or Redcar or Workington. 1 season propping up the Premiership and the financial losses associated with that could be the end of the current promotion and no one in Glasgow wants that. I genuinely can't see many Glasgow fans wanting to move up a division. One other thing, where would Glasgow, or any other 6th team, get a competitive team from? An Oxford/Birmingham select from last year would still finish miles behind the other 5 teams, and would provide little excitement. That's partly why the Premiership is struggling, because whenever anyone steps up the others refuse to share their riders and the new team end up as cannon fodder. I agree... and as a Leicester fan I'd be more than happy to see us in the CL... the PL has failed Edited 3 hours ago by IainB 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Much has been said about riders and promoters but what about suppliers? Engine and parts providers for example? We all know standidised equipment can lower costs but what for example happened to the Sheffield experiment a few years ago with the Honda engines? Is it possible that the current part suppliers would be operating a cartel? Or as I always say 'Turkeys never vote for Christmas' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 51 minutes ago, TigerIain said: That's partly why the Premiership is struggling, because whenever anyone steps up the others refuse to share their riders and the new team end up as cannon fodder. And there it is in a nutshell 👆 Also without a tv deal no club in the championship is even going to consider it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, TTT said: Keep saying it despite nobody agreeing, Glasgow in the PREM is the only option. If it's one big League then I wonder what will happen to CHAMP clubs already announced signings? Ipswich and Sheffield will surely want King and Pickering back as they'll lose Emil, Doyle, Brennan and both Holder's. So what do you suggest, giving Glasgow an ultimatum? If you were operating as a business (although questionable in British Speedway), you would not be interested in the suggestions of other parties interfering with your operating model for the wider scale benefit of others, particularly if it is not your livelihood. In the current (dire) state of the sport, the BSPL has to tread carefully, due to the chronic shortage of clubs and riders out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: And throw away their local meetings with Edinburgh, worky Berwick and even Redcar, not a chance, the current situation that the premier league finds itself in isn’t Glasgow's problem, wasn’t caused by Glasgow and won’t be fixed by Glasgow, if anything Glasgow should be asking the top teams to join them in the Championship Let them keep matches against Berwick and Edinburgh on the side. Do a 3 Team Tournament between them, Ride against each other H & A Twice and whoever finishes Top wins the Cross Boarder Trophy. If Glasgow lose money by riding PREM then PREM clubs will have to chip in and cover the costs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, Triple.H. said: How can they ask for them back when riders are no longer club assets ? They'll just kick up a fuss and another storm will hit the fan. PREM Clubs won't run a Team full of no names due to CHAMP clubs already signing up the Heat Leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 minutes ago, TTT said: If Glasgow lose money by riding PREM then PREM clubs will have to chip in and cover the costs. And who chips in to cover the losses of other Premiership clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said: And who chips in to cover the losses of other Premiership clubs? They'll just have to take it on the chin if they want a PREM League featuring more than 5 Teams. Somebody will have to be left unhappy and the blame lies with years of failure from those that have run our Sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago What is the alternative on the table? A -> Multiple PREM Teams not running at all in 2026 due to a 5 Team PREM that leaves certain Promoters cheesed off. B -> Loads of CHAMP Teams get cheesed off with a full U-Turn in League structure for 2026 after already signing multiple riders or a full 1-7 within a 40.00 Limit for CHAMP Speedway. C -> Pray that Northampton running at Oxford with no fan base becomes an option again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 37 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: So what do you suggest, giving Glasgow an ultimatum? If you were operating as a business (although questionable in British Speedway), you would not be interested in the suggestions of other parties interfering with your operating model for the wider scale benefit of others, particularly if it is not your livelihood. In the current (dire) state of the sport, the BSPL has to tread carefully, due to the chronic shortage of clubs and riders out there. I just don't see any other option at this moment in time. If a CHAMP Team doesn't step up then we could see multiple PREM Teams not running at all in 2026 and the Sport can't have a that. Ultimatum to Glasgow -> PREM Speedway for 1 Year with Financial guarantees of any losses being covered whilst allowing them to compete in a Cross Border Trophy Tourny with Berwick and Edinburgh. Glasgow can put together a 1-7 within CHAMP rules for the Cross Border Trophy Tourny meetings. After 2026 sack the PREM off altogether and do One Big League in 2027 with 5 Man Teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 16 minutes ago, TTT said: What is the alternative on the table? A -> Multiple PREM Teams not running at all in 2026 due to a 5 Team PREM that leaves certain Promoters cheesed off. B -> Loads of CHAMP Teams get cheesed off with a full U-Turn in League structure for 2026 after already signing multiple riders or a full 1-7 within a 40.00 Limit for CHAMP Speedway. C -> Pray that Northampton running at Oxford with no fan base becomes an option again. D a 6th team not mentioned brought back ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: D a 6th team not mentioned brought back ? That would be the saviour option that pleases all parties. What's the whisper as nothing has done the rounds on here other than Northampton running at Oxford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, TTT said: Keep saying it despite nobody agreeing, Glasgow in the PREM is the only option. If it's one big League then I wonder what will happen to CHAMP clubs already announced signings? Ipswich and Sheffield will surely want King and Pickering back as they'll lose Emil, Doyle, Brennan and both Holder's. If it's one "medium" league, then I'm sure riders would want to renegotiate their contracts. Pickering may have asked for a amount based on scoring 13 points a match. If one league is stronger, he'd likely ask for more, if one league was weaker, Scunny may want to offer less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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