poole keith Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago Excellent post Mike,(will be ordering bsb tickets next wk for 2026) BSB is a fantastic model of how to run a motorbike championship,with no "superstars "the very top riders will race in this country once a year in a wsb or motogp round,but the crowds at every bsb are fantastic,pay £47 for 3day weekend ticket 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colsimmo58 Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago Well now we know the AGM, is NEXT YEAR.There must be a massive problems with the Premiership that they need to wait until January to sort this mess out. Championship teams seems to know what they want and riders they want ,but we have to wait on the Prem Promoters to finalise any discussions on the table. Are they considering NORTHAMPTON , If they can sort out the Stadium,Accessabilty and Funding for the Air Fence etc I believe that Peterborough will be running in 2027, thats if we ever have enough teams in 2027 Will Mildenhall and Buxton be in the league in the near future ??? Why dont the Promoters just come out and say we have a problem, and let the fans know that the hell is going on. and then we can understand why we are waiting until January. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago (edited) I think the PREM being branded a failure is a myth tbh. Imo the only reason why it's struggled for the last few years is because of the ridiculous 1-2 Year solutions that the AGM has thrown up because they refuse to do what's right in order to get a stable PREM. We've seen various solutions like some of the following just for example.... 1. Birmingham in the PREM when they couldn't even keep their trousers up in the CHAMP. 2. Oxford being allowed to try and commit finanical suicide by running in all 3 Tiers of British Speedway. 3. Rumoured 2026 solution of having a consortium purchase Northampton and run PREM Speedway at Oxford which is the equivalent of a consortium buying Manchester United off the Glazers and then playing every home game at Nottingham Forest's City Ground. Nobody can be blamed for club closures due to circumstances outside of Speedway like Peterborough, Wolverhampton etc. Edited 10 hours ago by TTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasser90 Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, Colsimmo58 said: Well now we know the AGM, is NEXT YEAR.There must be a massive problems with the Premiership that they need to wait until January to sort this mess out. Championship teams seems to know what they want and riders they want ,but we have to wait on the Prem Promoters to finalise any discussions on the table. Are they considering NORTHAMPTON , If they can sort out the Stadium,Accessabilty and Funding for the Air Fence etc I believe that Peterborough will be running in 2027, thats if we ever have enough teams in 2027 Will Mildenhall and Buxton be in the league in the near future ??? Why dont the Promoters just come out and say we have a problem, and let the fans know that the hell is going on. and then we can understand why we are waiting until January. Pboro back in 2027 ?? Where has that come from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, poole keith said: Excellent post Mike,(will be ordering bsb tickets next wk for 2026) BSB is a fantastic model of how to run a motorbike championship,with no "superstars "the very top riders will race in this country once a year in a wsb or motogp round,but the crowds at every bsb are fantastic,pay £47 for 3day weekend ticket I suggested on here, (what seems a lifetime ago now), that the BSB model was "perfect" for UK Speedway.. I think It was around the time that Poland basically "took over".. I worked with Cadbury at the time, promoting their products in my stores, and got free passes to Oulton Park to watch the BSB and could see how professional and slick it was ran.. Shane Byrne and Leon Haslam were among the main men at the time and both went on to "bigger things" but left with the blessing of the BSB as they "knew their place" in the hierarchy of motorbike racing.. And ensured that they had plenty of "Shane Byrne's and Leon Haslam's" lined up to replace them... With both having good careers elsewhere before coming back to end their careers with the BSB... The UK promoters need to accept their place in the hierarchy and stop wasting "huge" resources for such a small sport, paying out up to £5k a night to a "World Star" and instead pay a grand a night to five young UK lads who just may come through and progress to a level on the World Stage, and then ensure they have another five to replace them when they move on... They "brought back" "World Stars" to "Bring the crowds back", without, (as far as I can see and know), any market research at all as to why crowds had dropped... And, once again, used a large chunk of TV money to do it... And all to deliver the current situation.. Truly. Incredible... Edited 8 hours ago by mikebv 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YeOldPitGate Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 3 hours ago, mikebv said: But where would the 21 riders needed have come from for those teams? Add Coventry and Birmingham and that would be 35 needed... The 2nd tier currently is the "perfect" model for UK Speedway... Like the BSB in Bike Racing... Lots of UK "old heads", who are either "BSB lifers", or riders who have had careers at a higher level and are now happy to just ride in a competitive environment... Some overseas riders wanting to progress up the bike racing level, and plenty of UK young riders wanting to do the same.. With several lower level championships to encourage a pathway for those needed to replace those who retire or organically move upwards into other higher level competitions.. What the BSB never did was to think they were anywhere near on a par with WSB or the MotoGp... And, certainly didn't need their "permission" on when to run their meetings... UK should have ploughed its own furrow when the GP riders pretty much all cleared off after taking the Sky money... Or even when Poland started to take over and impacted directly how the UK should run its own operating and business model.. Or even, even, Post Covid.... Maybe it is finally sinking in that they seem to have at least one league "that can work", and just run on the nights that you get your best crowds... I notice the BSB don't run on Mondays (unless a BH), or on a Thursday.... Missing a trick there aren't they? Don't disagree with any of that Mike I'm really assuming that Peterborough and Wolves would have kept the basis of the riders they had from memory poles and russians who rode for Lynn and Peterborough 3-4 seasons back. I agree Championship is the UK's level now , if the top league survives for 2-3 years I would be trying to get a championship style top league of maybe 12 teams and start scouring the globe for young aussies and young yanks (if there are any) who would be committed to UK racing. I still think the biggest success story of last 12 months is Plymouth who are trying to do everything they can righ, running on best night for fans and it looks like they are trying to build a team of mainly UK based riders so barring injury you should see the same 1-7 at most home meetings. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 7 minutes ago, YeOldPitGate said: Don't disagree with any of that Mike I'm really assuming that Peterborough and Wolves would have kept the basis of the riders they had from memory poles and russians who rode for Lynn and Peterborough 3-4 seasons back. I agree Championship is the UK's level now , if the top league survives for 2-3 years I would be trying to get a championship style top league of maybe 12 teams and start scouring the globe for young aussies and young yanks (if there are any) who would be committed to UK racing. I still think the biggest success story of last 12 months is Plymouth who are trying to do everything they can righ, running on best night for fans and it looks like they are trying to build a team of mainly UK based riders so barring injury you should see the same 1-7 at most home meetings. Plymouth truly is a "blueprint" to follow... As is Poole who used to have Jack Holder and Brady Kurtz riding for them... With the crowd levels today, I would suggest, not any different (and maybe even more), than when those excellent riders rode for them... Now. It would mean many, many thousands of pounds to pay them for the home and away meetings... With their fans paying, at least, a fiver more to watch them... You can also add Glasgow... Riding on their "best night" with a promotional idea that let's people try/go back to Speedway, for a few times free of charge, and then, hopefully, getting engaged, either for the first time, or once again.. There is a "sweet spot" for the sport that can see it grow... They just need to use it more... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago On 10/19/2025 at 6:27 PM, flagrag said: If it was up to me 100% British Premiership Speedway would be back on Sky Sports unfortunately it’s not my decision I am however having words in the correct ears . There may be some interest if the right deal was available and if a decent league sponsor could be found to support with the production costs as Speedway was not planned into 2026 plans . I am a great advocate of BSN however it’s very much a niche closed product so can foresee some potential issues with sponsorship for clubs The problem with Sky Sports is that if I were to add it to my existing Sky package, it costs a fortune, and I'm only interested in Speedway. Therefore 90% of their content is football which I'm not the slightest bit interested in. That makes it a non starter financially for many people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, TTT said: I think the PREM being branded a failure is a myth tbh. Imo the only reason why it's struggled for the last few years is because of the ridiculous 1-2 Year solutions that the AGM has thrown up because they refuse to do what's right in order to get a stable PREM. which is? it definitely isnt forcing two teams up for a start... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 6 minutes ago, therefused said: which is? it definitely isnt forcing two teams up for a start... Two teams moving up will be like two Turkeys voting for Christmas... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 minute ago, therefused said: which is? it definitely isnt forcing two teams up for a start... Some Fans are advocates for PREM clubs to be asset stripped and forced into mediocrity in 1 big League. I'm an advocate for a Two Tier Structure that see's Glasgow and Poole being told.....No more. Either way none of us can criticise each other's opinions / views without being a hypocrite as we're all calling for a Club or Clubs to be forced into something they don't want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 24 minutes ago, Bunce said: The problem with Sky Sports is that if I were to add it to my existing Sky package, it costs a fortune, and I'm only interested in Speedway. Therefore 90% of their content is football which I'm not the slightest bit interested in. That makes it a non starter financially for many people. Is it still possible to buy Sky Sports on a day to day basis through Now TV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 5 minutes ago, TTT said: Some Fans are advocates for PREM clubs to be asset stripped and forced into mediocrity in 1 big League. I'm an advocate for a Two Tier Structure that see's Glasgow and Poole being told.....No more. Either way none of us can criticise each other's opinions / views without being a hypocrite as we're all calling for a Club or Clubs to be forced into something they don't want to do. Not wanting to do something is not the same as not being able to nor afford to! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerIain Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 2 hours ago, TTT said: I think the PREM being branded a failure is a myth tbh. Imo the only reason why it's struggled for the last few years is because of the ridiculous 1-2 Year solutions that the AGM has thrown up because they refuse to do what's right in order to get a stable PREM. We've seen various solutions like some of the following just for example.... 1. Birmingham in the PREM when they couldn't even keep their trousers up in the CHAMP. 2. Oxford being allowed to try and commit finanical suicide by running in all 3 Tiers of British Speedway. 3. Rumoured 2026 solution of having a consortium purchase Northampton and run PREM Speedway at Oxford which is the equivalent of a consortium buying Manchester United off the Glazers and then playing every home game at Nottingham Forest's City Ground. Nobody can be blamed for club closures due to circumstances outside of Speedway like Peterborough, Wolverhampton etc. I'm confused. You state that the Premiership isn't a failure, then list lots of failures. Essentially all are that clubs cannot afford to run in the Premiership. The other big issue is that the top teams won't share out the top riders and never have so no one wants to risk bankruptcy to be the new whipping boys. What the Championship have done for 2026 in helping the weaker teams should have been done in the Premiership at least a year ago (and probably before that). Your only proposed solutions to date are to force another team to join the failing Premiership against their will. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 12 minutes ago, SteveLyric2 said: Not wanting to do something is not the same as not being able to nor afford to! Even if Poole had a written agreement that guaranteed any financial losses to be covered in full they'd still kick up a fuss about Wednesday's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 4 minutes ago, TTT said: Even if Poole had a written agreement that guaranteed any financial losses to be covered in full they'd still kick up a fuss about Wednesday's. And be 100% correct to do so..? A business is only successful when you meet what your customers want.... And isn't, when you don't listen to them and ride rough shod over their wishes... A sport is only successful when built on crowd sizes and atmosphere... So run it when the most people want to be there.. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran22222 Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago Where have the rumours the peterborough will be back in 2027 come from. Have they even got a track? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: And be 100% correct to do so..? A business is only successful when you meet what your customers want.... And isn't, when you don't listen to them and ride rough shod over their wishes... A sport is only successful when built on crowd sizes and atmosphere... So run it when the most people want to be there.. It would just be a point blank refusal to put British Speedway first imo. They wouldn't have an excuse about losing money by running on Monday's and Thursday's as they'd have a written agreement that guarantees any financial losses to be covered in full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, TTT said: Some Fans are advocates for PREM clubs to be asset stripped and forced into mediocrity in 1 big League. I'm an advocate for a Two Tier Structure that see's Glasgow and Poole being told.....No more. Either way none of us can criticise each other's opinions / views without being a hypocrite as we're all calling for a Club or Clubs to be forced into something they don't want to do. That's the thing PL clubs have no assets, unless you count the tractors... and I can't see anybody wanting Ippo's tractor, the flashing light doesn't even work 😉😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, TTT said: It would just be a point blank refusal to put British Speedway first imo. They wouldn't have an excuse about losing money by running on Monday's and Thursday's as they'd have a written agreement that guarantees any financial losses to be covered in full. Think they would want cash up front (just in case). Edited 4 hours ago by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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