Poole v Glasgow, 15/10/25, Glasgow v Poole, 17/10/25 Championship Final

[szkocjasid]

2 hours ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said:

I think we need to apply logic here for the sake of speedway as a spectacle.

If Poole attract crowds now, imagine what they’d attract if they prepared the track for racing.

Additionally, they build incredibly strong sides, so imagine the levels of entertainment Lawson, Cook, Rowe, etc. could deliver if given the opportunity.

There is not enough at stake (no promotion, no multi-million pound win bonus or no open top bus tour through the city to celebrate) to justify what happened on Wednesday night.

Poole’s riders showed on Friday night that they can put on a show. It’s so said neither side was afforded the opportunity.

Totally agree, I can't imagine Poole being unsuccessful just because the track isn't a gaters paradise.

[SteveLyric2]

18 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:

True, but Poole could do the same with a track that is prepared to provide more entertaining racing.

Poole as a club builds teams with a winning mindset. They could still do the same

There's plenty of close entertainment racing at Poole. Agreed, last Wednesday was a lot slicker than usual but set up to win. If people think that Poole are the only club that can gate consistently then clearly the haters have taken over the asylum.

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

58 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

By the same logic where do you think the crowds are going to appear from for speedway in General .

What? Can’t make sense of this statement.

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

52 minutes ago, SteveLyric2 said:

What's at stake for Poole is giving their fans what they want and keep coming back every week. Also having a team that wins means more publicity on local and regional media - tv, radio, newspapers and online,which in turn can lead to greater sponsorship and attendance. All leading to greater financial stability especially as there are longer term doubts about Poole stadium. If or when that happens GB speedway will be even more worse off, despite all the Poole haters.

😂😂😂

Hang on. So you’re telling me Poole don’t want to prepare a track for proper racing and entertainment because they’re worried it won’t generate enough publicity and sponsorship in comparison to not preparing a track for racing and entertainment!?😂

Get a grip, Steve. You can win the league and host entertaining racing; it isn’t either or.

[SteveLyric2]

5 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said:

😂😂😂

Hang on. So you’re telling me Poole don’t want to prepare a track for proper racing and entertainment because they’re worried it won’t generate enough publicity and sponsorship in comparison to not preparing a track for racing and entertainment!?😂

Get a grip, Steve. You can win the league and host entertaining racing; it isn’t either or.

As already stated one meeting with the track specially prepared does not make the whole season.

Local/regional media report on winners. They couldn't give a rat's backside if it was entertaining or not. If greater media coverage generates greater attendance, then those additional fans keep coming back, as Poole's attendances over the season have shown.

Nobody has answered my earlier question of how much media coverage Glasgow Tigers got after Friday? I'm interested to know having spent almost all of my working life in regional media and large venue management.

[Colsimmo58]

Tigers get NO publicity on the Scottish TV Channels or local papers,even though they submit stories,Sports editors have no interest in promoting Speedway.

[edmon]

11 minutes ago, Colsimmo58 said:

Tigers get NO publicity on the Scottish TV Channels or local papers,even though they submit stories,Sports editors have no interest in promoting Speedway.

There was some publicity on STV for the first leg of the Play Off Semi Final at Edinburgh. Glasgow didn't build on it. Personal contact seems to work. 

[old bob at herne bay]

The challenges of being in a major city rather than a small provincial town. 

The Bournemouth "echo" and the Poole "argus" or whatever the local papers are down there have little to report on in the sporting world apart from one football club in Bournemouth , and frankly most weeks will be slow news in the poole area. Anything  Ford or Middlo says however trivial will be found a column inch just to fill the paper. 

Compare with Glasgow where the sporting world is dominated by Celtic and Rangers and  no doubt all manner of stories affecting the major city of Glasgow. The only story likely to feature in the Glasgow "Herald" is some disaster at the track or similar bad publicity story. 

[SteveLyric2]

11 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said:

The challenges of being in a major city rather than a small provincial town. 

The Bournemouth "echo" and the Poole "argus" or whatever the local papers are down there have little to report on in the sporting world apart from one football club in Bournemouth , and frankly most weeks will be slow news in the poole area. Anything  Ford or Middlo says however trivial will be found a column inch just to fill the paper. 

Compare with Glasgow where the sporting world is dominated by Celtic and Rangers and  no doubt all manner of stories affecting the major city of Glasgow. The only story likely to feature in the Glasgow "Herald" is some disaster at the track or similar bad publicity story. 

Despite the Lanning factor!!

Thanks for your input Old Bob. It's always instantly forgettable.

[Sir Sidney]

1 hour ago, SteveLyric2 said:

There's plenty of close entertainment racing at Poole. Agreed, last Wednesday was a lot slicker than usual but set up to win. If people think that Poole are the only club that can gate consistently then clearly the haters have taken over the asylum.

I'm a neutral who only comes to Poole 2 or 3 times a season when I am in the area. 

Obviously you go more often than me and are happy with what you see ( as are many others) but in my recent experience there is very little entertaining racing at Poole ( again, I accept that for Poole supporters winning creates an atmosphere,  and more atmosphere makes sport seem more entertaining). 

[old bob at herne bay]

You're very welcome "SteveLyric2" . Thanks for your reply. 🤣

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

Still buzzing from this, a few days later. What an advert for speedway.

Howarth’s move on Cook was so tough, but fair, and Lawson tried the same on Howarth and Harris. Love it.

Watched the meeting back this afternoon and Cook sounded a bit sheepish in his interview after Howarth’s move, but to say he responded is an understatement. He became Poole’s talisman.

Harris’ move on him in heat 15 defies logic. Breathtaking.

Gutted it’s over until April.

[SteveLyric2]

25 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said:

Still buzzing from this, a few days later. What an advert for speedway.

Howarth’s move on Cook was so tough, but fair, and Lawson tried the same on Howarth and Harris. Love it.

Watched the meeting back this afternoon and Cook sounded a bit sheepish in his interview after Howarth’s move, but to say he responded is an understatement. He became Poole’s talisman.

Harris’ move on him in heat 15 defies logic. Breathtaking.

Gutted it’s over until April.

It  isn't!🤣

[Fromafar]

2 hours ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said:

What? Can’t make sense of this statement.

Why is Ashfield only 1/2 full most of the season then.Where are all these missing fans rest of the season.Im sure it wasn’t Poole fans that filled up the Stadium on Friday.

You and me could name a few reasons.

The Faccenna’s could not do any more than they have done over the last few years.

[foreverblue]

39 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said:

Still buzzing from this, a few days later. What an advert for speedway.

Howarth’s move on Cook was so tough, but fair, and Lawson tried the same on Howarth and Harris. Love it.

Watched the meeting back this afternoon and Cook sounded a bit sheepish in his interview after Howarth’s move, but to say he responded is an understatement. He became Poole’s talisman.

Harris’ move on him in heat 15 defies logic. Breathtaking.

Gutted it’s over until April.

Just because Zach did not comment does not mean he thought it was a fair move, Howarth just barged his way through, if Cook had gone down I would have thought Howarth would be excluded having pushed Zach so far wide he was nearly in the fence. Lawson said Harris pushed him on to the slick which caused him to fall but it was a fair move, Lawson should have let him go in hindsight.

[LisaColette]

3 hours ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said:

😂😂😂

Hang on. So you’re telling me Poole don’t want to prepare a track for proper racing and entertainment because they’re worried it won’t generate enough publicity and sponsorship in comparison to not preparing a track for racing and entertainment!?😂

Get a grip, Steve. You can win the league and host entertaining racing; it isn’t either or.

Ok but if we make the track like Redcar for example and means we lose more the crowd will go down. That's why they will  prepare it to win. 

Also if Glasgow could ride it slick then it would have been as it normally is as they wouldn't have been an advantage. So it's Glasgow's fault really as they are too vocal about it.😉😄

[foreverblue]

4 minutes ago, LisaColette said:

Ok but if we make the track like Redcar for example and means we lose more the crowd will go down. That's why they will  prepare it to win. 

Also if Glasgow could ride it slick then it would have been as it normally is as they wouldn't have been an advantage. So it's Glasgow's fault really as they are too vocal about it.😉😄

The facts are that if we did not make it slick, Glasgow would have won. A lot of fans would want us to put more dirt down to encourage better racing but winning is everything in sport. I heard the Liverpool manager Slot moaning about Man Utd having a low block but they won so it was the right thing to do, fans like to see a great game if there team wins.

[Sir Sidney]

56 minutes ago, LisaColette said:

Ok but if we make the track like Redcar for example and means we lose more the crowd will go down. That's why they will  prepare it to win. 

Also if Glasgow could ride it slick then it would have been as it normally is as they wouldn't have been an advantage. So it's Glasgow's fault really as they are too vocal about it.😉😄

I don't follow the logic to this argument. Why do you think preparing the track so it is more raceable would make Poole less likely to win? Surely Poole would select riders in team building who are likely to respond to that, and with Poole's ability to build teams with riders who improve and that winning mentality, why wouldn't Poole continue to be just as successful? 

I can understand the logic for a one off meeting, but not as an ongoing ethos. 

[SteveLyric2]

22 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:

I don't follow the logic to this argument. Why do you think preparing the track so it is more raceable would make Poole less likely to win? Surely Poole would select riders in team building who are likely to respond to that, and with Poole's ability to build teams with riders who improve and that winning mentality, why wouldn't Poole continue to be just as successful? 

I can understand the logic for a one off meeting, but not as an ongoing ethos. 

No way is it an ongoing ethos. Team building is primarily down to points limits. Once the 1-7 is confirmed and they have their first get-together the riders give their opinions on track prep. Obviously this will change as the season progresses and the weather/temperatures change., but still its all about being successful.

This season's declared objective was to go for the treble - the double treble. That's what will be in the record books rather than whether one or two meetings may not have been entertaining! In a tight meeting,close racing can be just as entertaining as a few passes. Especially if the home side is winning

 

[Sir Sidney]

12 minutes ago, SteveLyric2 said:

No way is it an ongoing ethos. Team building is primarily down to points limits. Once the 1-7 is confirmed and they have their first get-together the riders give their opinions on track prep. Obviously this will change as the season progresses and the weather/temperatures change., but still its all about being successful.

This season's declared objective was to go for the treble - the double treble. That's what will be in the record books rather than whether one or two meetings may not have been entertaining! In a tight meeting,close racing can be just as entertaining as a few passes. Especially if the home side is winning

 

I understand and accept what you say. 

However, the part you don't seem to want to address is that Poole could do all of that,  but select different riders to suit a more race orientated track- and prepare it accordingly. 

I suspect Poole would be just as successful, because that is a mindset.  However, Poole might just attract more fans and make a bigger profit.