mikebv Posted 23 hours ago Report Share Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 8 hours ago, SJA said: The best deal is the one that gets the sport to the largest number of non speedway fans. But how to achieve this? My opinion is that the sport is not suitable for live TV but ideal for a hour long, prepack, magazine type programme. You focus on the best races from a couple of meetings with additional races that are talking points from the previous week. In a 52 minute programme (plus 8 minutes of ad brakes which is the maximum allowed) as the spot ruling will not be applied to speedway due to viewing figures you should be able to cover this. I would get BSN to prepare it and offer it prepacked to Channel 4 or 5. Being on a FTA channel but as highlights will not impact on people attending a live meeting as much as the present deal does. And you stand a chance of attracting new fans as its not behind a paywall. The key is to get a broadcast (TV) partner as a streaming service only engages existing speedway fans. Great post... I watch most sports now on YouTube with around 15 to 20 mins highlights packages... Really got into Baseball this year, and now a massive Dodgers fan!!! Sitting through 2 hours worth of TV to watch less than 20 mins of racing doesn't really work for me nowadays... A highlights package could run 30 mins, and could even show every race, and get some detailed pre and post match nterviews with some of the key riders on view.. My lad is 22, and daughter is 27, and they rarely watch "live" TV programmes due to their busy lifestyles, so they use "catch up" to watch when they can, and binge watch series.. For me, the sport needs people involved from outside the "Speedway Bubble" as they seem almost brainwashed into doing the same old, same old, "there is no other way", often ludicrous, operating model... In house streaming only appeals to the converted so ideally the sport will get itself strongly on line DAILY on Tik Tok, Instagram, YT etc, and use the riders personalities, not just racing, to keep the sport in potential punters awareness and viewing algorithms... 30 mins to an hour a week on any of BBC, ITV, C4 or C5 can only move the sport forward quicker than 2 hours on TNT or SKY, or BSN... To bring great marketing people, and sponsors, in from "outside" requires the sport to have a huge amount of greater recognition and awareness than it has now... Get that fixed and, given the very low starting point fanbase wise, just an initial 10,000 extra punters a week interested by what they see online and/or on TV, would be "huge" for the sport, and provide great momentum to build it further. ... Edited 23 hours ago by mikebv 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 4 hours ago, mikebv said: Great post... I watch most sports now on YouTube with around 15 to 20 mins highlights packages... Really got into Baseball this year, and now a massive Dodgers fan!!! Sitting through 2 hours worth of TV to watch less than 20 mins of racing doesn't really work for me nowadays... A highlights package could run 30 mins, and could even show every race, and get some detailed pre and post match nterviews with some of the key riders on view.. My lad is 22, and daughter is 27, and they rarely watch "live" TV programmes due to their busy lifestyles, so they use "catch up" to watch when they can, and binge watch series.. For me, the sport needs people involved from outside the "Speedway Bubble" as they seem almost brainwashed into doing the same old, same old, "there is no other way", often ludicrous, operating model... In house streaming only appeals to the converted so ideally the sport will get itself strongly on line DAILY on Tik Tok, Instagram, YT etc, and use the riders personalities, not just racing, to keep the sport in potential punters awareness and viewing algorithms... 30 mins to an hour a week on any of BBC, ITV, C4 or C5 can only move the sport forward quicker than 2 hours on TNT or SKY, or BSN... To bring great marketing people, and sponsors, in from "outside" requires the sport to have a huge amount of greater recognition and awareness than it has now... Get that fixed and, given the very low starting point fanbase wise, just an initial 10,000 extra punters a week interested by what they see online and/or on TV, would be "huge" for the sport, and provide great momentum to build it further. ... Good post MBV! Some well thought through comments which not will unlikely resonate with people in charge of the sport in this country. Looking at this forum over all, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 4 hours ago, mikebv said: Great post... I watch most sports now on YouTube with around 15 to 20 mins highlights packages... Really got into Baseball this year, and now a massive Dodgers fan!!! Sitting through 2 hours worth of TV to watch less than 20 mins of racing doesn't really work for me nowadays... A highlights package could run 30 mins, and could even show every race, and get some detailed pre and post match nterviews with some of the key riders on view.. My lad is 22, and daughter is 27, and they rarely watch "live" TV programmes due to their busy lifestyles, so they use "catch up" to watch when they can, and binge watch series.. For me, the sport needs people involved from outside the "Speedway Bubble" as they seem almost brainwashed into doing the same old, same old, "there is no other way", often ludicrous, operating model... In house streaming only appeals to the converted so ideally the sport will get itself strongly on line DAILY on Tik Tok, Instagram, YT etc, and use the riders personalities, not just racing, to keep the sport in potential punters awareness and viewing algorithms... 30 mins to an hour a week on any of BBC, ITV, C4 or C5 can only move the sport forward quicker than 2 hours on TNT or SKY, or BSN... To bring great marketing people, and sponsors, in from "outside" requires the sport to have a huge amount of greater recognition and awareness than it has now... Get that fixed and, given the very low starting point fanbase wise, just an initial 10,000 extra punters a week interested by what they see online and/or on TV, would be "huge" for the sport, and provide great momentum to build it further. ... Will the 'powers that be' do anything about this though? Personally - I doubt it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 13 hours ago, mikebv said: Great post... I watch most sports now on YouTube with around 15 to 20 mins highlights packages... Really got into Baseball this year, and now a massive Dodgers fan!!! Sitting through 2 hours worth of TV to watch less than 20 mins of racing doesn't really work for me nowadays... A highlights package could run 30 mins, and could even show every race, and get some detailed pre and post match nterviews with some of the key riders on view.. My lad is 22, and daughter is 27, and they rarely watch "live" TV programmes due to their busy lifestyles, so they use "catch up" to watch when they can, and binge watch series.. For me, the sport needs people involved from outside the "Speedway Bubble" as they seem almost brainwashed into doing the same old, same old, "there is no other way", often ludicrous, operating model... In house streaming only appeals to the converted so ideally the sport will get itself strongly on line DAILY on Tik Tok, Instagram, YT etc, and use the riders personalities, not just racing, to keep the sport in potential punters awareness and viewing algorithms... 30 mins to an hour a week on any of BBC, ITV, C4 or C5 can only move the sport forward quicker than 2 hours on TNT or SKY, or BSN... To bring great marketing people, and sponsors, in from "outside" requires the sport to have a huge amount of greater recognition and awareness than it has now... Get that fixed and, given the very low starting point fanbase wise, just an initial 10,000 extra punters a week interested by what they see online and/or on TV, would be "huge" for the sport, and provide great momentum to build it further. ... You make some very good observations and suggestions. However, When it comes to “highlight” packages and similar content - and most sports covered by tv have them, there is still the need to have recorded the original content before editing the final programme. So for me, the question first & foremost is which production company is going to fund that exercise so that a main stream tv company will broadcast it - and at a worthwhile time of day. The organisations behind darts, Snooker & suchlike actually produce their own content (live & catch ups) providing content to the channels - If UK speedway is to do the same they need a good reliable quality production company including commentary from professional folk who are not necessarily ex riders “doing their best” Maybe the “exciting news” for next season hinted at by the Oxford promotion regarding the leagues set up for next year will also include a change in media coverage with TNT moving out being the first step? We can all but hope & wonder what next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, 1 valve said: You make some very good observations and suggestions. However, When it comes to “highlight” packages and similar content - and most sports covered by tv have them, there is still the need to have recorded the original content before editing the final programme. So for me, the question first & foremost is which production company is going to fund that exercise so that a main stream tv company will broadcast it - and at a worthwhile time of day. The organisations behind darts, Snooker & suchlike actually produce their own content (live & catch ups) providing content to the channels - If UK speedway is to do the same they need a good reliable quality production company including commentary from professional folk who are not necessarily ex riders “doing their best” Maybe the “exciting news” for next season hinted at by the Oxford promotion regarding the leagues set up for next year will also include a change in media coverage with TNT moving out being the first step? We can all but hope & wonder what next? Lots of clubs have pretty good HD level streaming services so they could be used by the main broadcaster. Similar to how football "round up" programmes show goals from every match... It isn't always the main broadcaster covering all of them but local streamers linked to the clubs.. And of course you have BSN... Much cheaper for the main broadcaster, even if they pay a fee to the streaming companies for their content, (so they gain too)... Maybe a "match of the week" showing 20 mins or so from that match, and then well edited, snippet highlights showing the "best bits" from races around the country of all the other matches. ...? Get a couple or three riders in the studio to discuss their involvement in the meetings shown, and what their week looks like re flights to Poland, Sweden, France, Denmark etc etc... A window into the unique life of a Speedway rider, which I think would interest those non followers to take more of an interest, and raise the profiles of the riders.... Add in a five minute "young stars" segment and you would have a decent 60 mins magazine programme... Edited 7 hours ago by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago Clubs have their own broadcast quality production crew and this supplemented by BSN would produce more than enough footage for a highlights show. TBH this would be better than a full live show as these generally show it to be boring and devoid of excitement due to the FTG nature of our sport now. Even the worst of tracks get a good race every 30-45 heats and whilst this is used on here to poo poo those complaining about the racing at certain tracks it would work perfectly for a tv show. The problem then is providing a race night experience that matches that presented on the highlights show. When you have clubs like Poole being open about producing a gate’n’go track to negate the excitement usually provided by Christ Harris etc then we will always be in trouble as a sport. Poole are by no means the exception in this, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 18 hours ago, mikebv said: Great post... I watch most sports now on YouTube with around 15 to 20 mins highlights packages... Really got into Baseball this year, and now a massive Dodgers fan!!! Sitting through 2 hours worth of TV to watch less than 20 mins of racing doesn't really work for me nowadays... A highlights package could run 30 mins, and could even show every race, and get some detailed pre and post match nterviews with some of the key riders on view.. My lad is 22, and daughter is 27, and they rarely watch "live" TV programmes due to their busy lifestyles, so they use "catch up" to watch when they can, and binge watch series.. For me, the sport needs people involved from outside the "Speedway Bubble" as they seem almost brainwashed into doing the same old, same old, "there is no other way", often ludicrous, operating model... In house streaming only appeals to the converted so ideally the sport will get itself strongly on line DAILY on Tik Tok, Instagram, YT etc, and use the riders personalities, not just racing, to keep the sport in potential punters awareness and viewing algorithms... 30 mins to an hour a week on any of BBC, ITV, C4 or C5 can only move the sport forward quicker than 2 hours on TNT or SKY, or BSN... To bring great marketing people, and sponsors, in from "outside" requires the sport to have a huge amount of greater recognition and awareness than it has now... Get that fixed and, given the very low starting point fanbase wise, just an initial 10,000 extra punters a week interested by what they see online and/or on TV, would be "huge" for the sport, and provide great momentum to build it further. ... The highlights option is probably better for appealing to potential punters but I doubt that would come with much money. The TV sports broadcasters want their air time filled and advertisement windows filled and in a lot of cases they are prepared to pay ridiculous amounts of money to do this, that's what a TV deal should/would/could bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, ouch said: Clubs have their own broadcast quality production crew and this supplemented by BSN would produce more than enough footage for a highlights show. TBH this would be better than a full live show as these generally show it to be boring and devoid of excitement due to the FTG nature of our sport now. Even the worst of tracks get a good race every 30-45 heats and whilst this is used on here to poo poo those complaining about the racing at certain tracks it would work perfectly for a tv show. The problem then is providing a race night experience that matches that presented on the highlights show. When you have clubs like Poole being open about producing a gate’n’go track to negate the excitement usually provided by Christ Harris etc then we will always be in trouble as a sport. Poole are by no means the exception in this, unfortunately. Christ Harris should simply rise above it all!!😇 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, ouch said: The problem then is providing a race night experience that matches that presented on the highlights show. When you have clubs like Poole being open about producing a gate’n’go track to negate the excitement usually provided by Christ Harris etc then we will always be in trouble as a sport. Poole are by no means the exception in this, unfortunately. exactly this. the product is poor. aside from the standard of on track action it's 15 minutes of action dragged out over 2 hours. it's supposed to be a high octane extreme sport. unless you're into tractors then it's dull. if the endless track grading improved the on track action then fair enough but invariably it doesn't seem to make any difference. 15 heats is a 60 minute job 20 heats 90 minutes. Stats are huge in all sports now. they even create stats in football to make it seem more interesting or fill more TV time. speedway is made for stats yet there's zero content. make the match format more flexible. people love watching live sport and having opinions on what subs to make, or what tactics to use or who to bowl from what end etc. just say everyone has to have a min three and max six rides and let the team manager work out the best line up. let the trailing team select the gates. you know stuff that would add to the interest. you still need exciting on track action and it doesn't get much better than at Belle Vue but if you're waiting 5 , 10, 15 mins between heats with nothing to discuss then you lose all momentum. It's like when you go to a gig and the set list gets the crowd singing then the band play a new one and everybody goes for a piss. speedway is like that but with 5 minutes silence between each song while the band tinker with their instruments and some random person in overalls sweeps the stage. Edited 3 hours ago by enotian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted 53 minutes ago Report Share Posted 53 minutes ago 6 hours ago, ouch said: Clubs have their own broadcast quality production crew and this supplemented by BSN would produce more than enough footage for a highlights show. TBH this would be better than a full live show as these generally show it to be boring and devoid of excitement due to the FTG nature of our sport now. Even the worst of tracks get a good race every 30-45 heats and whilst this is used on here to poo poo those complaining about the racing at certain tracks it would work perfectly for a tv show. The problem then is providing a race night experience that matches that presented on the highlights show. When you have clubs like Poole being open about producing a gate’n’go track to negate the excitement usually provided by Christ Harris etc then we will always be in trouble as a sport. Poole are by no means the exception in this, unfortunately. Crumbs - I didn't know Chris had been promoted. 😉🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted 47 minutes ago Report Share Posted 47 minutes ago 3 hours ago, SteveLyric2 said: Christ Harris should simply rise above it all!!😇 Whatever league structure we see next Easter, he should be nailed on for a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 29 minutes ago Report Share Posted 29 minutes ago 6 hours ago, ouch said: Clubs have their own broadcast quality production crew and this supplemented by BSN would produce more than enough footage for a highlights show. TBH this would be better than a full live show as these generally show it to be boring and devoid of excitement due to the FTG nature of our sport now. Even the worst of tracks get a good race every 30-45 heats and whilst this is used on here to poo poo those complaining about the racing at certain tracks it would work perfectly for a tv show. The problem then is providing a race night experience that matches that presented on the highlights show. When you have clubs like Poole being open about producing a gate’n’go track to negate the excitement usually provided by Christ Harris etc then we will always be in trouble as a sport. Poole are by no means the exception in this, unfortunately. For a good, consistent quality show to be produced week on week there would need to be one company responsible for creating the product. I’m not convinced clubs across the board actually have consistent quality, albeit it’s quite possible for BSN to step up to produce something viable. However, terrestrial tv & Sky do not take content produced by/for streaming channels if that content is not exclusive for a while. But maybe the future being created by Speedway futures ltd such considerations have been accounted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted 11 minutes ago Report Share Posted 11 minutes ago 3 hours ago, enotian said: 15 heats is a 60 minute job 20 heats 90 minutes. Stats are huge in all sports now. they even create stats in football to make it seem more interesting or fill more TV time. speedway is made for stats yet there's zero content. make the match format more flexible. people love watching live sport and having opinions on what subs to make, or what tactics to use or who to bowl from what end etc. just say everyone has to have a min three and max six rides and let the team manager work out the best line up. let the trailing team select the gates. you know stuff that would add to the interest. you still need exciting on track action and it doesn't get much better than at Belle Vue but if you're waiting 5 , 10, 15 mins between heats with nothing to discuss then you lose all momentum. Your time for meetings is not possible nor may I suggest accurate. As example, Why does a 33% increase in heats from 15 to 20 require 50% more time from 60 to 90 minutes? In all seriousness, the minimum that can be allowed for each heat is circa five minutes taking into account riders entering and exiting the track before and after races, preparing to start and of course track grading and that is without on track incidents. You are correct that more can and should be done to fill the time between races - Having a bloke on the centre green talking inane nonsense and laughing at his own jokes which nobody understands is just not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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