Fromafar Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 7 minutes ago, arnieg said: Of course if will be weaker. The par will always be 42.. An average team that started the season with a GSA of 40 will over the course of the season rise to 42 as 2024 scores are replaced by 2025 scores. Thats the same every season though.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 27 minutes ago, arnieg said: Of course if will be weaker. The par will always be 42.. An average team that started the season with a GSA of 40 will over the course of the season rise to 42 as 2024 scores are replaced by 2025 scores. I have to disagree.Ā In April, each club will be (or should be, if they recruited sensibly) at exactly the same strength as it was at Easter this year.Ā Not stronger, not weaker. The same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted 16 hours ago Report Share Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 5 hours ago, arnieg said: Of course if will be weaker. The par will always be 42. An average team that started the season with a GSA of 40 will over the course of the season rise to 42 as 2024 scores are replaced by 2025 scores. Ā 4 hours ago, crescent girl said: I have to disagree.Ā In April, each club will be (or should be, if they recruited sensibly) at exactly the same strength as it was at Easter this year.Ā Not stronger, not weaker. The same. Gotta agree with arnieg here. On average teams that started on 40, should end on 42. If clubs start next season on 42, that should be the same strength as last year's sides starting on 40. So a 40 point limit is weakening the league. If the limit was raised to 41, the league would still be weaker (statistically). Edited 16 hours ago by szkocjasid 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 11 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Ā Gotta agree with arnieg here. On average teams that started on 40, should end on 42. If clubs start next season on 42, that should be the same strength as last year's sides starting on 40. So a 40 point limit is weakening the league. If the limit was raised to 41, the league would still be weaker (statistically). Donāt think that is a point though as the 40pt limit is applicable every season just now.Your have to build a Team to the same strength as last season.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beirao Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Donāt think that is a point though as the 40pt limit is applicable every season just now.Your have to build a Team to the same strength as last season.? It's the same number ie 40 but not the same strength. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Beirao said: It's the same number ie 40 but not the same strength. Agree as the league strength is diluted, riders scores / average goes up, so the following season riders appear to be stronger/higher average, but the teams are actually weaker, if you get my drift 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Beirao said: It's the same number ie 40 but not the same strength. Ā 11 minutes ago, Beirao said: It's the same number ie 40 but not the same strength. Agree not the same strength, but same rules apply as last season.Its only on average that Teams limit increases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Neila said: Agree as the league strength is diluted, riders scores / average goes up, so the following season riders appear to be stronger/higher average, but the teams are actually weaker, if you get my drift This is good stuff -- the kind of forum discussion that allows opinions to be aired! My opinion is that, as the teams are all starting 2026 at the same strength as 2025 then is is incorrect to suggest they are weaker, they are at the same level as last season. Cancelling out a second 8-pointer means more pointage to build a stronger middle order, or employ better reserves. Overall, the league starts out as per the past season, built to 40.00.Ā Ā Not weaker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago The way I see it is at the start of the season each meeting is only going to have 2 riders over 8 riding,I get that the limit is still 40 points so as every season it's up to team managers to get who they think will up their averages the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Surely it should be the end of season figures we should be looking at? Seven out of the nine CL teams ended with a total average above the 40 limit, so starting next season on 40 means it is weaker? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Help Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, Neila said: Agree as the league strength is diluted, riders scores / average goes up, so the following season riders appear to be stronger/higher average, but the teams are actually weaker, if you get my drift Is that the same drift as riders sliding into the bends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbend123 Posted 2 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 2 hours ago With Zisckie signing will Workington be looking to start him at reserve?Ā Ā I would imagine Hook will be back and he will start in the main body of the team.Ā Ā I suppose it will depend on 2nd and 3rd heat leader. Looking like Riss not possibly back at Redcar could he be an option if fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 7 minutes ago, 2ndbend123 said: With Zisckie signing will Workington be looking to start him at reserve?Ā Ā I would imagine Hook will be back and he will start in the main body of the team.Ā Ā I suppose it will depend on 2nd and 3rd heat leader. Looking like Riss not possibly back at Redcar could he be an option if fit? Riss has already said he is giving GB a miss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 7 minutes ago, 2ndbend123 said: With Zisckie signing will Workington be looking to start him at reserve?Ā Ā I would imagine Hook will be back and he will start in the main body of the team.Ā Ā I suppose it will depend on 2nd and 3rd heat leader. Looking like Riss not possibly back at Redcar could he be an option if fit? Riss has already said he is giving GB a miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Comet Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Riss has already said he is giving GB a miss. Didnt mention giving GB a miss in this weeks Speedway Star, just that he's fit again and raring to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffa Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago Didnāt say he was definitely giving it a miss, said it was unlikely to ride in GB in 2026. All down to interpretation š¤, and maybe Ā£Ā£Ā£ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Biffa said: Didnāt say he was definitely giving it a miss, said it was unlikely to ride in GB in 2026. All down to interpretation š¤, and maybe Ā£Ā£Ā£ Ā£Ā£Ā£Ā£ās will probably win most times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonalResponsibility Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, crescent girl said: This is good stuff -- the kind of forum discussion that allows opinions to be aired! My opinion is that, as the teams are all starting 2026 at the same strength as 2025 then is is incorrect to suggest they are weaker, they are at the same level as last season. Cancelling out a second 8-pointer means more pointage to build a stronger middle order, or employ better reserves. Overall, the league starts out as per the past season, built to 40.00.Ā Ā Not weaker! In much the same way that Ā£1 in 2024 is the same as Ā£1 now. Except it's not in reality, is it?Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 hours ago, crescent girl said: This is good stuff -- the kind of forum discussion that allows opinions to be aired! My opinion is that, as the teams are all starting 2026 at the same strength as 2025 then is is incorrect to suggest they are weaker, they are at the same level as last season. Cancelling out a second 8-pointer means more pointage to build a stronger middle order, or employ better reserves. Overall, the league starts out as per the past season, built to 40.00.Ā Ā Not weaker! Let me type this slowly.Ā Imagine you have a team with combined GSA of 39.99. They have an average season with no riders improving and none getting worse. At the end of the season their combined GSA (all other things being equal) will be 42.00. Now imagine you want to sign the same 7 riders for next year ... You can't you will have to replace one rider with another who's average is 2 points lower to get back below 40. So the final outcome is that you've replaced a (say) 7 point rider with a 5 point one - how is that not weakening the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted 1 hour ago Report Share Posted 1 hour ago 21 minutes ago, arnieg said: Let me type this slowly.Ā Imagine you have a team with combined GSA of 39.99. They have an average season with no riders improving and none getting worse. At the end of the season their combined GSA (all other things being equal) will be 42.00. Now imagine you want to sign the same 7 riders for next year ... You can't you will have to replace one rider with another who's average is 2 points lower to get back below 40. So the final outcome is that you've replaced a (say) 7 point rider with a 5 point one - how is that not weakening the team. To quote Mark Twain (or maybe Disraeli) there are lies, damned lies and statistics....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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