Hawk127 Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 14 minutes ago, arnieg said: I'm sure Chris gets several offers from Poland every year. What is significant is that he has said yes to one. (He's ridden just 2 matches in the last 8 years in Poland). If this is the case does it not say the writing is on the wall for speedway in the UK and riders are starting to desert the sinking ship. How on earth has it got to this where stalwarts of British speedway have given up on the home product and now look further afield to maintain the standard of living that they have become accustom to. Overseas territories gain is domestic speedway’s loss. It is not looking good for speedway in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 21 minutes ago, Hawk127 said: If this is the case does it not say the writing is on the wall for speedway in the UK and riders are starting to desert the sinking ship. How on earth has it got to this where stalwarts of British speedway have given up on the home product and now look further afield to maintain the standard of living that they have become accustom to. Overseas territories gain is domestic speedway’s loss. It is not looking good for speedway in this country. Guess he will only have one team here and filling his calendar to make up any losses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, mac101 said: Bomber not hanging around he has just signed for Pila in Poland Rumour is he has signed in Sweden as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersonalResponsibility Posted November 25 Report Share Posted November 25 1 hour ago, arnieg said: I'm sure Chris gets several offers from Poland every year. What is significant is that he has said yes to one. (He's ridden just 2 matches in the last 8 years in Poland). This is the Pila who couldn't even match Josh Pickering's demands, too. If Harris has broken his Polish abstinence for that type of money then the writing must be on the wall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted November 26 Report Share Posted November 26 12 hours ago, PersonalResponsibility said: This is the Pila who couldn't even match Josh Pickering's demands, too. If Harris has broken his Polish abstinence for that type of money then the writing must be on the wall. But unless you say what JP wanted and CH is getting, then you don't know that the writings on the wall. For instance they could be paying CH more than what JP was offered, even though JP had asked for more. It's all hearsay and unsubstantiated rumour, a common thing in Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 28 Report Share Posted November 28 On 11/24/2025 at 9:50 AM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I'm alright Jack - our model is working.... It's a Premiership problem.... Why should we help sort it out.... Etc etc Well look at the facts of the funding and decide for yourself who will be left riding in the Championship at the same rates with no Premiership Take you typical double upper Championship heat leader riding as second string in the Premiership Approx 30 meetings in each league , 130-140 rides in each scoring approx 250 points in Premiership and 300 points in Championship. Averages approx 6.50/8.50 For the sake of ease of calculation pay per point is £200 in Premiership and £100 in Championship (someone else can qualify how accurate that may be) Income from Premiership £50,000 Income from Championship £30,000 Estimate of cost £20,000 initial plus season running costs £10,000 - total £30,000 Rider net profit £50,000 No Premiership - £50,000 down. Offset by reduced costs say £10,000 Generous allowance for extra 10 Championship meetings in bigger league £10,000 Rider net profit £20,000 - less than equivalent for minimum wage job So there is already a significant question mark over the number of riders being sufficient to make a feasible league How many seeing the above simply say no thanks? It wouldn't need many to make that choice to render the whole set up unworkable As the saying goes - Show me I'm wrong! Solution is simple. Don't let the tail (the riders) wag the dog (British Speedway). Come up with the best solution for British Speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 28 Author Report Share Posted November 28 33 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: Solution is simple. Don't let the tail (the riders) wag the dog (British Speedway). Come up with the best solution for British Speedway. I've never much liked the look of a dog with no tail Fair enough - forget Crufts and go with the mungrels..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 10 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 10 hours ago On 11/24/2025 at 9:50 AM, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I'm alright Jack - our model is working.... It's a Premiership problem.... Why should we help sort it out.... Etc etc Well look at the facts of the funding and decide for yourself who will be left riding in the Championship at the same rates with no Premiership Take you typical double upper Championship heat leader riding as second string in the Premiership Approx 30 meetings in each league , 130-140 rides in each scoring approx 250 points in Premiership and 300 points in Championship. Averages approx 6.50/8.50 For the sake of ease of calculation pay per point is £200 in Premiership and £100 in Championship (someone else can qualify how accurate that may be) Income from Premiership £50,000 Income from Championship £30,000 Estimate of cost £20,000 initial plus season running costs £10,000 - total £30,000 Rider net profit £50,000 No Premiership - £50,000 down. Offset by reduced costs say £10,000 Generous allowance for extra 10 Championship meetings in bigger league £10,000 Rider net profit £20,000 - less than equivalent for minimum wage job So there is already a significant question mark over the number of riders being sufficient to make a feasible league How many seeing the above simply say no thanks? It wouldn't need many to make that choice to render the whole set up unworkable As the saying goes - Show me I'm wrong! 10 days on and despite a few bits of bluff, bluster and deflection I can't see one reply that has been able to disprove either the figures quoted OR the principle behind it Given the hundreds of pages and thousands of posts on numerous threads concerning 2026 I'm taking that to mean my statement is closer to the truth than many are prepared to admit....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedwaySlider72 Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 12 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I can't see one reply that has been able to disprove either the figures quoted OR the principle behind it Maybe in your own little world 🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 10 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: Maybe in your own little world 🤣 But still no response that sets out what the 'alternative truth' is...... Still waiting for someone (anyone) to put up what the numbers actually are if mine are not a reasonable reflection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: But still no response that sets out what the 'alternative truth' is...... Still waiting for someone (anyone) to put up what the numbers actually are if mine are not a reasonable reflection Sounds like you're asking somebody to make some numbers up to challenge the numbers you've made up, is that right? As the numbers are not in the public domain you may be waiting for a while. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: But still no response that sets out what the 'alternative truth' is...... Still waiting for someone (anyone) to put up what the numbers actually are if mine are not a reasonable reflection So it sounds as though there WILL be a Prem and a Championship in 2026. The Prem format may well be a little different to what Prem fans are used to as they prepare for something new/different in 2027, Those Riders who maybe aren't going to get a double up/down place in 2026 are already looking abroad in oredr to hedge their bets for 2026 and/or 2027 and beyond. Stewart Dickson seems to think that the aim - or at least the initial discussion - for 2027 is a 6-team Prem and 8-team Championship. Meantime the Championship continue to build and announce their 2026 teams with the streaming support of BSN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago 1 hour ago, SteveLyric2 said: So it sounds as though there WILL be a Prem and a Championship in 2026. The Prem format may well be a little different to what Prem fans are used to as they prepare for something new/different in 2027, Those Riders who maybe aren't going to get a double up/down place in 2026 are already looking abroad in oredr to hedge their bets for 2026 and/or 2027 and beyond. Stewart Dickson seems to think that the aim - or at least the initial discussion - for 2027 is a 6-team Prem and 8-team Championship. Meantime the Championship continue to build and announce their 2026 teams with the streaming support of BSN. So.... Full Steam ahead for the Premiership in trying to revive that dead horse for 2026.... So it can be flogged to death again in time for 2027... Basically.... Just keep on doing exactly the same thing, and each time you do it, expecting a completely different result... Truly Genius... Should be a roaring success... Just like it is currently... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, IainB said: Sounds like you're asking somebody to make some numbers up to challenge the numbers you've made up, is that right? As the numbers are not in the public domain you may be waiting for a while. Yet again as much substance in the reply as a deflated soufflé 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, SteveLyric2 said: So it sounds as though there WILL be a Prem and a Championship in 2026. The Prem format may well be a little different to what Prem fans are used to as they prepare for something new/different in 2027, Those Riders who maybe aren't going to get a double up/down place in 2026 are already looking abroad in oredr to hedge their bets for 2026 and/or 2027 and beyond. Stewart Dickson seems to think that the aim - or at least the initial discussion - for 2027 is a 6-team Prem and 8-team Championship. Meantime the Championship continue to build and announce their 2026 teams with the streaming support of BSN. Which points towards my thought that the Championship in order to continue (on its current form) does indeed need the Premiership 2027 is going to be a whole different challenge if Poland gets its way - and needs to be sorted before the 2026 season starts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 5 hours ago Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 2 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Which points towards my thought that the Championship in order to continue (on its current form) does indeed need the Premiership 2027 is going to be a whole different challenge if Poland gets its way - and needs to be sorted before the 2026 season starts Seriously?... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted 5 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 5 hours ago 16 minutes ago, mikebv said: Seriously?... Yes - for 2026 at least anyway 2027 I think will look very different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 3 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Yet again as much substance in the reply as a deflated soufflé You should see my wet farts 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted 2 hours ago Report Share Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Yes - for 2026 at least anyway 2027 I think will look very different I think he was getting at there's no ideas or leadership in place to do anything other than the status quo, it's been proven time and again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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