Sir Philip joins Speedway Futures

[Youhave2minutes]

Bet there is not all these issues with grass track racing.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

17 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said:

Bet there is not all these issues with grass track racing.

Yes there is, not the same but it has its problems 

[YeOldPitGate]

50 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

Harry Redknapp. Philip Davies.

What do they have in common? Gambling!!

Maybe this is the real reason that Chris Louis resigned as a Director of Speedway Futures and has got out altogether?

Is this all a last, desperate throw of the dice, selling the whole thing to gambling companies?

I've only been to live speedway a couple of time post 1992 but didn't they try getting the bookies involved previously and it flopped ?

[IainB]

37 minutes ago, YeOldPitGate said:

I've only been to live speedway a couple of time post 1992 but didn't they try getting the bookies involved previously and it flopped ?

They did, not sure it flopped, but as with so many things in Speedway it just wasn't nurtured and grown, they kind of said here you are bookies you now have the privilege of being involved in Speedway now it's up to you... instead of working with them to really make something of it. 

[Hamish McRaker]

38 minutes ago, YeOldPitGate said:

I've only been to live speedway a couple of time post 1992 but didn't they try getting the bookies involved previously and it flopped ?

I wouldn't know but I bet that things are way different now in sports gambling and the ways people participate! Davies is Chair of an "upmarket" gambling company and Redknapp is Bet Victor's best salesman. I can see a big gambling company buying exclusive rights and being given free rein to do what they like

[Derrickn]

29 minutes ago, Hamish McRaker said:

I wouldn't know but I bet that things are way different now in sports gambling and the ways people participate! Davies is Chair of an "upmarket" gambling company and Redknapp is Bet Victor's best salesman. I can see a big gambling company buying exclusive rights and being given free rein to do what they like

I'm not sure The betting companies would be interested in speedway,all gambling is open to "fixing",but speedway perhaps more than most.Engine failures,falls,missing the gate,getting filled in,,perhaps too much risk for the bookies.

[Daniel Smith]

I would be happy with all kinds of match fixing as long as King's Lynn finally manage to break it's top league duck, crowds double, it looks like a well run professional outfit.

A bit of fraud & scandal has never really done any other sport harm.

 

[Big Al]

38 minutes ago, Derrickn said:

I'm not sure The betting companies would be interested in speedway,all gambling is open to "fixing",but speedway perhaps more than most.Engine failures,falls,missing the gate,getting filled in,,perhaps too much risk for the bookies.

Just as a point of interest - as a non-betting person - is it currently possible to bet on the results of British matches? 

[therefused]

2 minutes ago, Big Al said:

Just as a point of interest - as a non-betting person - is it currently possible to bet on the results of British matches? 

yes it is. 

[Fromafar]

22 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

And then factor in Redknapp and this Phillips guy who neither are short of a few quid, what’s in it for them ? Surely they wouldn’t hand over any of their money to invest in speedway futures ? A company at this point that doesn’t have any money and as of this moment doesn’t even have a product and only seems to exist in name and a few press releases, I did hear a flippant comment a couple of weeks back from someone in the sport who when speedway futures Ltd was mentioned they said hmmmm that’s another bone of contention, I did wonder what he was alluding too, I should of asked really 🤔

Life long fans 🤔😂😂😂😂Perhaps Harry will get his gambling Pal Sir Alex to chuck some money in.Tell him Bartosz is a cert  for World Champ again.

Edited 24 minutes ago by Fromafar

[Youhave2minutes]

4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Yes there is, not the same but it has its problems 

Oh dear, the whole system in both areas then don’t give much hope for the future. 

[Youhave2minutes]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

I would be happy with all kinds of match fixing as long as King's Lynn finally manage to break it's top league duck, crowds double, it looks like a well run professional outfit.

A bit of fraud & scandal has never really done any other sport harm.

 

Now let’s set an example and keep it clean😂

[Byker Biker]

4 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said:

Bet there is not all these issues with grass track racing.

As Dean alludes, the ACU have got themselves in a right mess with Grass Track and have lost Track Racing Committee Members one after the other since they treat Paul Hurry very shabbily. It currently has a "steering" group made up of ACU officials and representatives from regional clubs holding the fort until a solution can be found. They can't make their mind up which way to go so are conducting a "root and branch" review of the sport before deciding a way forward. Have a look at the press releases on the ACU web page and you'll see it all has a familiar ring to it.

[Youhave2minutes]

12 minutes ago, Byker Biker said:

As Dean alludes, the ACU have got themselves in a right mess with Grass Track and have lost Track Racing Committee Members one after the other since they treat Paul Hurry very shabbily. It currently has a "steering" group made up of ACU officials and representatives from regional clubs holding the fort until a solution can be found. They can't make their mind up which way to go so are conducting a "root and branch" review of the sport before deciding a way forward. Have a look at the press releases on the ACU web page and you'll see it all has a familiar ring to it.

Is there any motorsport that is actually run without all these issues.

[Byker Biker]

51 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said:

Is there any motorsport that is actually run without all these issues.

That's a fair question, I think it's about egos having more power than the engines so vanity not sanity.

[PersonalResponsibility]

20 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Absolutely.   This is the question.

Surely there are 2 ways to do this deal.

1.   Speedway Futures pay a fee (say) £1m per year for commercial rights.  They then go out and sell a TV deal, named league sponsorship, etc for whatever they can.   If they get a £1.5m TV deal and a £500k league sponsor, they're quids in.  If they only get a £250k TV deal and £50K league sponsor, they stand the loss.

or 2.  They have a non-exclusive deal as a broker.  They pay nothing, and go out to find a TV deal and sponsor etc.  They then charge a 20% finders fee on anything they bring in.   (but this would be non-exclusive, so you, me, anyone, could do the same and collect a commission percentage).

They can't possibly pay nothing but still claim all the exclusive rights and have no comeback on themselves if they fail.   Only an idiot would grant that deal to them.

 

 

Isn't it the case the a significant number of shareholders in Speedway Futures are BSPL members anyway? Can we disregard that they've just given the sport away entirely?

As for this latest newbie...he sounds like a lovely fella. Certainly typifies the most recent bunch of Tories.