Sheffield v Lynn 9th July

[Bagpuss]

 

[Youhave2minutes]

19 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

Vinny’s best ice cream that’s all

Edited yesterday at 09:05 AM by Youhave2minutes

[kelvinht]

Possibly our best opportunity for a stars first ever win at Sheffield... 

But in good old kings lynn fashion we'll probably mess it up

[pubichair]

3 hours ago, kelvinht said:

Possibly our best opportunity for a stars first ever win at Sheffield... 

But in good old kings lynn fashion we'll probably mess it up

And we are doing the normal crap Lynn  performance 

[pubichair]

22 minutes ago, pubichair said:

And we are doing the normal crap Lynn  performance 

Take that back lol

[Cue Ball]

My god this has been tedious. 

[tellboy]

31 minutes ago, pubichair said:

And we are doing the normal crap Lynn  performance 

 

32 minutes ago, pubichair said:

And we are doing the normal crap Lynn  performance 

Pardon 🤣

[Bald Bloke]

Well done Stars⭐🤩

[Youhave2minutes]

5 minutes ago, tellboy said:

 

Pardon 🤣

You burped?

[Youhave2minutes]

Well I never.

[Bagpuss]

Get in lads, great result. We needed to take advantage of a weaker Sheffield team and we did. 

[kelvinht]

Great win, and Ippo lost, perfect night!

[mikebv]

RR for a No1 should mean that (should the manager so wish), the other two HL's take his rides..

Not second strings or reserves,, (unless the manager wants to)..

As all other teams were riding no guests of the required level were available, which would  usually have been the first call for Sheffield, and all other teams...

Jeopardy in sport is fundamentally what it needs to be successful and Sheffields team tonight brought that jeopardy, however, one way to cut guests, by a significant amount, would be to have a fit for purpose RR facility..

[Pinny]

14 minutes ago, mikebv said:

RR for a No1 should mean that (should the manager so wish), the other two HL's take his rides..

Not second strings or reserves,, (unless the manager wants to)..

As all other teams were riding no guests of the required level were available, which would  usually have been the first call for Sheffield, and all other teams...

Jeopardy in sport is fundamentally what it needs to be successful and Sheffields team tonight brought that jeopardy, however, one way to cut guests, by a significant amount, would be to have a fit for purpose RR facility..

Don't agree with that. Open to all sorts of manipulation.

Rider replacement is swings and roundabouts. I have seen a team use it for a missing 5 point second string and the replacement rides getting a paid maximum. Also seen teams use it for a heatleader and get less. 

Rider replacement has been one of the more sensible rules and facilities in the sport for the last god knows how many years, last thing this sport needs is tinkering about with rules that don't need changing.

[mikebv]

6 minutes ago, Pinny said:

Don't agree with that. Open to all sorts of manipulation.

Rider replacement is swings and roundabouts. I have seen a team use it for a missing 5 point second string and the replacement rides getting a paid maximum. Also seen teams use it for a heatleader and get less. 

Rider replacement has been one of the more sensible rules and facilities in the sport for the last god knows how many years, last thing this sport needs is tinkering about with rules that don't need changing.

If you want world class No1's to be signed then you can't use second strings or reserves to replace them..

And Guests just make the meeting contrived nonsense...

A fit for purpose RR system would ensure teams win or lose as that team..

Not some random select, with the odd ringer brought in..

No one would think Sheffield were manipulating a situation where one of the best riders in the world was replaced by Chris Holder and Pickering, should the manager so wish, with all riders having seven rides max..

 

[Pinny]

Just now, mikebv said:

If you want world class No1's to be signed then you can't use second strings or reserves to replace them..

And Guests just make the meeting contrived nonsense...

A fit for purpose RR system would ensure teams win or lose as that team..

Not some random select, with the odd ringer brought in..

No one would think Sheffield were manipulating a situation where one of the best riders in the world was replaced by Chris Holder and Pickering, should the manager so wish, with all riders having seven rides max..

 

Riders missing for pathetic reasons and going unpunished is a much bigger issue that needs fixing. Teams being allowed to sign riders knowing full well they will only ride in about 50-60 percent of fixtures (Klindt) is another and there are dozens of other rules and regs that need sorting.

The guest facility has been around the whole near 30 years I have followed speedway, it sometimes works for teams other times not its the way it goes. Same as R/R.

I kind of see your point, I am one of those that think in football that if a player has gone off genuinely injured they should be allowed to bring a sub on to replace him when they have already used all 5 of the allocated subs but that wont ever happen. 

[Gavan]

Nothing wrong with R/R for any rider it’s a rule that works and always has 

just unfortunate that tonight every team was riding 

[Daniel Smith]

1 hour ago, mikebv said:

If you want world class No1's to be signed then you can't use second strings or reserves to replace them..

That's a random take. I don't think any 'World Class' rider wouldn't sign on the basis of who rides when they're not there.

Sheffield's home stats are also showing that Jack being missing shouldn't effect the result that greatly. Jack has averages less than 8.00 so far at home in 2026 & tonight the covering riders managed an 8.00 average.

Sheffield was 10 up after 10 and 5-1'd heat 15. Only heat 13 the result could have been different but with that being possibly the strongest heat in a meeting, winning isn't guaranteed. 

It is an absolutely terrific result for the Stars and some credit should be given to them for turning around a 10 point deficit with 5 heats left. To do that away from home, especially at Sheffield, was an incredible turnaround. 

[marko]

Sheffield missed Jack Holder but if the top flight adopted a squad system whereby clubs could name one or two other top riders who could cover for the very odd meeting here and there, say last night if MJJ could have rode, sure the cost won’t be cheap but he would still be getting roughly what you would have paid Jack per point anyway, it’s just the flight and arranging equipment that would have extra cost.

[Bald Bloke]

2 hours ago, marko said:

Sheffield missed Jack Holder but if the top flight adopted a squad system whereby clubs could name one or two other top riders who could cover for the very odd meeting here and there, say last night if MJJ could have rode, sure the cost won’t be cheap but he would still be getting roughly what you would have paid Jack per point anyway, it’s just the flight and arranging equipment that would have extra cost.

I'm not sure a lot of Prem clubs could afford it tbh. There would need to be some kind of contract between club and riders, and that might come down to who can pay the most to get "their" men on standby. I doubt riders would do it unless the money was  good to cover bikes over here as well, as you say.