Rob B Posted yesterday at 10:19 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:19 AM Sheffield booked at number 1, Ben Cook at Belle Vue and Max Fricke at Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted yesterday at 12:01 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:01 PM This is why I detest guests; Fricke and Cook could in theory help Sheffield pip Lynn to 4th. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted yesterday at 03:27 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 03:27 PM 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: This is why I detest guests; Fricke and Cook could in theory help Sheffield pip Lynn to 4th. A perfectly acceptable situation.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted yesterday at 05:31 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 05:31 PM 5 hours ago, Bagpuss said: This is why I detest guests; Fricke and Cook could in theory help Sheffield pip Lynn to 4th. Trust Sheffield to be the first team to use guests this season 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted yesterday at 05:42 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 05:42 PM 1 minute ago, The Third Man said: Trust Sheffield to be the first team to use guests this season As everyone knows, Guests are a "necessary evil", and Speedway simply couldn't run within a team framework without the Guest Rider system... It would clearly be absolutely impossible to run Speedway as a team sport if they didn't share around each others riders every week on a horses for courses adhoc basis... The top tier in the UK only has six teams, compared to Poland, Sweden and Denmark who have eight teams in theirs... And the UK's top tier will use not far off 100 guests, once more, this season, to ensure the season gets completed.. The other three leagues, with two more teams in each, must use well over 100 I would think to complete theirs... Put simply, there is absolutely, 100%, no other way of running Speedway as a team sport.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted yesterday at 06:11 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:11 PM 37 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Trust Sheffield to be the first team to use guests this season You've completely and utterly missed the point! Guesting for a rival compromises the integrity of the competition. I have no issue with Sheffield, more with the system, my own club and the two riders. I don't imagine Fricke is bothered either way as he'll guest for Sheffield if Lynn don't make it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted yesterday at 08:13 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:13 PM 2 hours ago, mikebv said: As everyone knows, Guests are a "necessary evil", and Speedway simply couldn't run within a team framework without the Guest Rider system... It would clearly be absolutely impossible to run Speedway as a team sport if they didn't share around each others riders every week on a horses for courses adhoc basis... The top tier in the UK only has six teams, compared to Poland, Sweden and Denmark who have eight teams in theirs... And the UK's top tier will use not far off 100 guests, once more, this season, to ensure the season gets completed.. The other three leagues, with two more teams in each, must use well over 100 I would think to complete theirs... Put simply, there is absolutely, 100%, no other way of running Speedway as a team sport.. Sums up succinctly why the sport is not credible in the UK and it needs to reinvent itself and stop pretending that it should be a full time occupation for riders when the club owners treat it as a hobby and it is about time some riders got the message. Most are not good enough to justify it as a full time job where you want to earn over six months an annual salary. Those riders gracing the UK tracks are simply not good enough to qualify as speedway professionals but are OK to race having honed certain skills but that does not justify the riders demands. Go back to part time and stop expecting everyone to owe you a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted yesterday at 08:39 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:39 PM 8 hours ago, Bagpuss said: This is why I detest guests; Fricke and Cook could in theory help Sheffield pip Lynn to 4th. Even if Sheffield ran without guests for their remaining 4 meetings they would most likely finish in front of Lynn. The best you can possibly end the season on is 25 points. To do that you have got to beat Leicester home and away, having already lost both legs of the R1 fixtures, and win away at Northampton which you failed to do in R1. Sheffield are on 20 points and more than likely going to take 3 from the Northampton home fixture, and would probably beat Belle Vue at home even if they ran with R/R for Holder. Having missed the 2022 playoffs through injury, Fricke has obviously decided that he may as well get settled in with his 2026 play off team early to give himself a good chance of a medal. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted 22 hours ago Report Share Posted 22 hours ago (edited) Realistically Lynn won't be making the play-offs, but 2 defeats by Sheffield would increase their slim chances. If I was a Lynn fan, I wouldn't want my riders guesting for a play-offs rival. If Belle Vue were missing a rider & needed a guest, I'd be encouraging them to score as many as possible! Edited 22 hours ago by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago 11 hours ago, DaveWayne said: Even if Sheffield ran without guests for their remaining 4 meetings they would most likely finish in front of Lynn. The best you can possibly end the season on is 25 points. To do that you have got to beat Leicester home and away, having already lost both legs of the R1 fixtures, and win away at Northampton which you failed to do in R1. Sheffield are on 20 points and more than likely going to take 3 from the Northampton home fixture, and would probably beat Belle Vue at home even if they ran with R/R for Holder. Having missed the 2022 playoffs through injury, Fricke has obviously decided that he may as well get settled in with his 2026 play off team early to give himself a good chance of a medal. 😉 Ultimately if we don't qualify (again) it'll be because of the three home defeats and at least one loss at Northampton; however the optics of two of our riders helping a direct rival do so is horrendous, and something British Speedway needs to sort out going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 12 hours ago Report Share Posted 12 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Ultimately if we don't qualify (again) it'll be because of the three home defeats and at least one loss at Northampton; however the optics of two of our riders helping a direct rival do so is horrendous, and something British Speedway needs to sort out going forward. It has gone on for "ever", however, given the ever dwindling amount of teams over the past couple of decades it has just become more prevelent and therefore significantly more noticeable... And obviously Social Media now gets the information out there well before the meetings take place, which then gets discussed (and often deservedly ridiculed), by a much larger number of people... I am actually surprised that both meetings are not having the situation hyped up by the two hosting clubs .. Eg. "Will the two Kings Lynn riders sabotage their own teams season by scoring well for Sheffield, or will they be double agents and help condemn Sheffield to two defeats?. Come and watch the intrigue unfold! Don't miss out!!".. It would pack out both the venues I am sure ..😉😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago Well if Fricke was to deliberately get a zero, and Kings Lynn still not get a play off spot, would he then lose the possibility of guesting for Sheffield in the play off, and the extra points money he could earn tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted 11 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 11 hours ago (edited) Really this early meeting should have been called off, if they do some wonders the track is still going to be very wet with limited time to delay due to Sheffield this evening. But they didn’t want to call it as they will be forced to run it on a Tuesday/Wednesday (if they can?) due to no available Monday/Thursday despite us not having a home meeting for weeks and such short fixture list. Edited 11 hours ago by Rob B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Rob B said: Really this early meeting should have been called off, if they do some wonders the track is still going to be very wet with limited time to delay due to Sheffield this evening. But they didn’t want to call it as they will be forced to run it on a Tuesday/Wednesday due to no available Monday/Thursday despite us not having a home meeting for weeks and such short fixture list. The track will be nice and grippy if the recent deluge that just hit Stockport lands at the NSS.. Inside line, like riding on rails, and very fast.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted 11 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 11 hours ago 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: The track will be nice and grippy if the recent deluge that just hit Stockport lands at the NSS.. Inside line, like riding on rails, and very fast.... This is how Bewley got track record on a wet August bank holiday, but will mean poor racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Rob B said: This is how Bewley got track record on a wet August bank holiday, but will mean poor racing. Think I'll take your advice and not purchase the stream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted 10 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 10 hours ago There was heavy shower at 11.00 for 20 minutes, now blading track (something Ipswich can’t do). Big piles of sludge up by fence but underneath doesn’t look too bad but won’t be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted 10 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 10 hours ago Starting at 12.30 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 59 minutes ago, Rob B said: This is how Bewley got track record on a wet August bank holiday, but will mean poor racing. Becomes very much riding the berm, follow my leader like... Might close up the scores somewhat?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted 9 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 9 hours ago Another short heavy shower at 11.50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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