Ipswich v Belle Vue 10th September

[bellevueace]

10 hours ago, ouch said:

 

I’ll just leave this here…..

https://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/21577/belle-vue-premiership-13-2023

https://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/21921/belle-vue-premiership-13-2023

And also with Dan only scoring 4 points in one meeting.

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

Tate is a rider on the up, that is for sure, a slow burner maybe. To call him bang average is not right, that is just a fan annoyed that his team got beat at home.

I'd say the only reason he's a slow burner is the injuries, one of which was absolutely horrendous. Take those away and he'd be burning a lot brighter by now I reckon.

Edited 1 hour ago by Bagpuss

[bellevueace]

9 hours ago, TB1 said:

Belle Vue will win it hands down I have no doubt about it. What's more important is the sports future. Failure to do so and the promoters might as well carry on with the violins on the deck as the ship goes down!

I have always said its not as nailed on as people think, Sheffield can have good meetings at the NSS and usually put us to the sword at Owlerton even though no Holder is a big miss they can still do a job if they get a good guest in.Kings Lynn as we,ve seen already go well at the NSS and Leicester although they have been poor at our place are capable of much better. At this time of year conditions change affecting tracks, set ups, etc. And as we know with the play offs its about coming into form at the right time, the league meetings dont have any pressure in comparison. Yes we should win but its not a certainty.

[TTT]

9 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

I don't understand why, just because you don't think your team can win you don't care? Is 4th not better than 5th, 5th not better than 6th?

I'd want my team to finish as high as possible.

Maybe it's a more recent thing, but it seems if clubs don't want a trophy the season is seen as a complete failure.

Back in the day, I remember when a top half finish for Rye House was a dream season!

Nobody remembers who finished 4th or 5th in any Sport whether it's a Team or Individual basis.

[TTT]

54 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Tate is a rider on the up, that is for sure, a slow burner maybe. To call him bang average is not right, that is just a fan annoyed that his team got beat at home.

Not annoyed, I honestly don't care about finishing 4th as we'd only lose the Home and Away tie to Belle Vue in the Play-Offs anyway.

[foreverblue]

5 minutes ago, TTT said:

Not annoyed, I honestly don't care about finishing 4th as we'd only lose the Home and Away tie to Belle Vue in the Play-Offs anyway.

 

5 minutes ago, TTT said:

Not annoyed, I honestly don't care about finishing 4th as we'd only lose the Home and Away tie to Belle Vue in the Play-Offs anyway.

I was referring to your comment on Tate rather than your finishing position. I would feel the same, I would not be excited about something there is zero chance of my team winning.

[Bald Bloke]

11 minutes ago, TTT said:

Not annoyed, I honestly don't care about finishing 4th as we'd only lose the Home and Away tie to Belle Vue in the Play-Offs anyway.

Your sounding a bit like a Poole fan imho . I know Louis messed up this season for you, but  most Lynn fans would love that 4th place

[foreverblue]

1 minute ago, Bald Bloke said:

Your sounding a bit like a Poole fan imho . I know Louis messed up this season for you, but  most Lynn fans would love that 4th place

When did Poole ever finish 4th? Must have at sometime but dont remember it funnily enough!

[ShanoXtra]

11 hours ago, Aries said:

Not everyone is the same though are they? Brennan held on, so did King. Plenty of others didn’t including Ellis and Doyle. And I don’t blame them or anyone else for not gambling on the takeover being completed. Riders have to put themselves first as they should. 
 

“They could have built a stronger team” well not really! Coleman has already explained this. Conversations WERE held with Doyle but they couldn’t offer him the guarantees he wanted and he gave up. Conversations were held with numerous GP riders, they all had their season planned. 
 

You have to cut them some slack they were severely up against it this year. If similar happens next season then criticism will be fair game. I’m confident that won’t be the case but actions speak louder than words.

It took Louis how many years before landing a title? He even took us down a league for donkeys years and we couldn’t even win a raffle down there!

So why were Ellis and D Thompson not even spoken to and Brennan was? For me, they would have been better choices than Lawson and Nichols.

[TTT]

22 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

Your sounding a bit like a Poole fan imho . I know Louis messed up this season for you, but  most Lynn fans would love that 4th place

You're welcome to it lol.

[Bald Bloke]

1 hour ago, TTT said:

Not annoyed, I honestly don't care about finishing 4th as we'd only lose the Home and Away tie to Belle Vue in the Play-Offs anyway.

 

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

When did Poole ever finish 4th? Must have at sometime but dont remember it funnily enough!

I wasn't referring to Poole  ever finishing 4th FB. More like TTT coming across as maybe having a bit of a strop in his post above (not unlike some Poole fans at times). I can understand to a degree after Louis antics, but  not bothered about a play off place, because they will probably get beat in the final 

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[foreverblue]

4 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

 

I wasn't referring to Poole  ever finishing 4th FB. More like TTT coming across as maybe having a bit of a stop in his post above (not unlike some Poole fans at times). I can understand to a degree after Louis antics, but  not bothered about a play off place, because they will probably get beat in the final 

They would probably lose the semi I expect anyway, I think the best result for the play offs is Kings Lynn who may give BV more to think about although Kings Lynn have struggled against them this season.

[ouch]

3 hours ago, Gavan said:

 

All in all a cakewalk for Belle Vue this season though they have choked before but none of Sheffield Leicester or Ipswich are capable with their current sides to give Belle Vue any trouble at home 

When have Belle Vue choked? I hope to god you’re not referring to when Brady & Charles were hospitalised, you’re better than that. 

[TTT]

26 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said:

 

I wasn't referring to Poole  ever finishing 4th FB. More like TTT coming across as maybe having a bit of a stop in his post above (not unlike some Poole fans at times). I can understand to a degree after Louis antics, but  not bothered about a play off place, because they will probably get beat in the final 

Not stropping BB, I'm just a realist.

I'm not invested at all about finishing 4th because it means an away trip to our worst away track statistically that'll just result in us getting battered anyway.

Lawson and Nicholls simply can't ride the place for toffee and that's our No.1 & 2 pairing, That's 15-3 to Belle Vue before we even move on to the other 12 Heats.

Edited 1 hour ago by TTT

[ouch]

I think Richard would like fourth place. If Ipswich stage the first leg then the crowd should be better than the normal high attendance and the resulting extra income would be most welcomed. 
As is often quoted on here, the play offs are a big money spinner. To not want to be part of that is daft.

[Aries]

1 hour ago, ShanoXtra said:

So why were Ellis and D Thompson not even spoken to and Brennan was? For me, they would have been better choices than Lawson and Nichols.

Ellis WAS spoken to Shano. He said that in his speedway star interview months ago. But the whole uncertainty and waiting game of the protracted takeover made him plan his season elsewhere, same as Doyle. 
 

Dan Thompson was always going back to Leicester, that was done before last season even ended when Louis was here!

He had a very good sponsor that took him back to Leicester, he was never staying at any point. 
 

Coleman has publicly thanked both King and Brennan for being patient and waiting on Ipswich to get their house in order. Others didn’t want to do that which is their prerogative. 
 

This isn’t aimed at you Shano and everyone is entitled to have their say of course, but there’s a few Ipswich supporters that have really pi$$ed me off to be honest reading through social media posts (Facebook).

Personally, after Ipswich “legend” Chris Louis decided to bugger off at the 11th hour leaving the future of the club in turmoil over the long winter months, I’m thankful that Mayfield stepped in to keep speedway going. They were never in a position to put a title challenging team together despite protestations of some deluded supporters who pretend to know what’s going on behind the scenes. 
 

Some fans are coming across as spoilt, and incredibly ungrateful. 
 

Give them a fuc*ing chance at least and give them the same chance as the others in building a team to compete. 

AGAIN, let’s see what they produce in 2027 when they’ve had the opportunity to plan properly. 

Edited 33 minutes ago by Aries

[TTT]

Sorting out the reserves is going to be just as important as the No.1 position in regards to 2027.

Think it's fair to say that Kevin Juhl Pedersen rode above his level on his debut guest appearence around Northampton that ultimately pulled the wool over everyone's eyes from the fans to the management.

[MP78]

If Kings Lynn do pip the Witches to 4th, then last night could've been the last time Nicholls rides for the Witches at Foxhall.

[Aries]

12 minutes ago, TTT said:

Sorting out the reserves is going to be just as important as the No.1 position in regards to 2027.

Think it's fair to say that Kevin Juhl Pedersen rode above his level on his debut guest appearence around Northampton that ultimately pulled the wool over everyone's eyes from the fans to the management.

Fair. The reserves have been a disaster all year starting with the PHB disappointment. When you have no out and out number 1, you need a strong reserve pairing to compensate and we haven’t had that. Edwards as one of the more senior rising stars, has also generally been a disappointment bar the odd meeting here and there. 
 

Would be very surprised to see either in the ‘27 team. 

[Aries]

12 minutes ago, TTT said:

Sorting out the reserves is going to be just as important as the No.1 position in regards to 2027.

Think it's fair to say that Kevin Juhl Pedersen rode above his level on his debut guest appearence around Northampton that ultimately pulled the wool over everyone's eyes from the fans to the management.

Fair. The reserves have been a disaster all year starting with the PHB disappointment. When you have no out and out number 1, you need a strong reserve pairing to compensate and we haven’t had that. Edwards as one of the more senior rising stars, has also generally been a disappointment bar the odd meeting here and there. 
 

Would be very surprised to see either in the ‘27 team.