Belle Vue 2027

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13 minutes ago, PhilTheAce said:

They are that much like the aces I wouldn't even know who to support tbh 

We’re from Ipswich, we do things differently here. 🤣

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

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[PhilTheAce]

1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

 

 

Undoubtedly 2027 will be weaker (unfortunately)

Impossible not to be when you set the limit at 37+RS so effectively 40

Belle Vue need to shed 5+ points

The other 3 play off teams have to reduce from their end totals

Also ran Kings Lynn about on par

Bottom place Northampton can add less than 2 points

That simply doesn't work if the aim is to build the quality

I heard you the first time 🤣

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Proving this forum truly is an echo chamber 😁

[Steve Irving]

8 minutes ago, ouch said:

 

 

What the hell is wrong with you two really wtf. Out of all the witches trolls you are both gold standard. 

I’ve previously posted about the points difference between teams in the league table in 2025 & 2026. You can deduce the competitiveness from that. I’m not putting the figures down again, look up some facts yourselves for once.

Christ, you say the Aces were down as champions in June but Ipswich the previous season were considered champions before a wheel was turn with many on here saying it was the best league team since 1998 and they would go the whole season without defeat. It’s on this site from last year for Christ sake, why are you denying this?????

You then go on to say you weren’t competitive so it was unfair. When adding in the RS to your total team average, you had the highest of the lot ffs. You were all telling us that Jason Doyle approached you this year and you turned him down yet everything is so unfair for you, that’s bleedin ridiculous. 

You cannot see the published data and arrive at the nonsense you do, it’s impossible so are you trolling and why??

One consistent with you both is the absolute refusal to debate the facts as your go to response is bad language and name calling. WHY??

 

Go back to mocking the appearance of kids you absolute piece of shiit.

[mikebv]

6 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:

Proving this forum truly is an echo chamber 😁

I wasn't convinced at first....

But by the third time ....😁

[Aries]

Crikey it’s not even mid November! Just the five months to go..

😳

[mikebv]

2 minutes ago, Aries said:

Crikey it’s not even mid November! Just the five months to go..

😳

They should just get a room...

[Aries]

Anyhoo, back to 2027. Interesting comment from Lemon that they were 100% going to include Bewley if he wanted to return, so he obviously planned to go with the top two again which would have left them having to do some major cutting below them.

Who would likely have been let go? Cook? Considering he was the next with the highest average on 7+

Does he keep to the same strategy? Or now go plan B. If it’s still plan A and he wants a powerful top two, wouldn’t rule out Emil as Taps rightly says, he’s open to a move back here which surprises me.

ti t for tat and all that!

Edited Tuesday at 08:42 PM by Aries

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13 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

Go back to mocking the appearance of kids you absolute piece of shiit.

I’ve never done that so it impossible to go back to and as always you cannot prove any different. The misinformation, bad language and abuse is true to form, just as I predicted. 
Your trolling to SO transparent. You are a total disgrace to this forum and the sooner you leave the better so we can get on debating facts and opinions in a safe and adult environment. 

[TTT]

From Kurtz & Bewley v Doyle & Emil to Kurtz & Emil v Doyle & Bewley

That truly would be something special.

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28 minutes ago, Steve Irving said:

Go back to mocking the appearance of kids you absolute piece of shiit.

Some more websites “mocking” their appearance you sick minded foul mouthed little deviant. What is wrong with you?

http://www.guskuhn.net/GKuhn/Contemp/Sprouts Elder.htm

http://www.swindon-speedway.com/bopetersen.php

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/1388790.working-in-tv-lets-me-stay-in-contact-with-the-sport/

 

[TTT]

9 minutes ago, Aries said:

Anyhoo, back to 2027. Interesting comment from Lemon that they were 100% going to include Bewley if he wanted to return, so he obviously planned to go with the top two again which would have left them having to do some major cutting below them.

Who would likely have been let go? Cook? Considering he was the next with the highest average on 7+

Does he keep to the same strategy? Or now go plan B. If it’s still plan A and he wants a powerful top two, wouldn’t rule out Emil as Taps rightly says, he’s open to a move back here which surprises me.

ti t for tat and all that!

You'd think they'd try and get Emil or Lambert even though the latter hasn't shown an interest in riding in Britain according to ITK's.

Everyone has a price though and despite Phil saying Mark is going to show loyalty, I'm still expecting a BOMBA to come from Belle Vue because it's a massive Club that doesn't compete to make the numbers up.

[Col]

6 hours ago, mikebv said:

With weaker rising stars, and also looking like weaker No 6's, and also no sign of any new top level riders coming over, this year has to be weaker than last surely?..

Hoping Lemon being Team Roo Boss will mean BV get Beau Bailey.

5 hours ago, TTT said:

Depends on who Belle Vue and Sheffield's No.6's are imo.

Cairns, Rushen, Harrison and McDiarmid is a good quartet of young No.6's so far imo and we have to bring the youngsters on but every Club will need a decent No.6 to make it work.

I'm not a fan of the 2027 Rising Star list though and it shouldn't be happening at PREM level imo.

British Speedway do not have 12 riders under the age of 21 that are going to be competitive, no Poles are coming our way, I guess a few Swedes may, but Sweden hasn't produced a decent rider for a long time.  Danes will go to Poland and it is they that seem to have the best production line.  Hoping Lemon can pull a Beau Bailey out the bag.

4 hours ago, TTT said:

Richard Coleman greeting the grandstand at the NSS next season.

If you really think the Witches team with Bewley & Doyle consuming 17+ of your 37 points and then King & Cairns consuming a further 11.  You need to go look at the averages, you are left with nothing viable to choose from for 2 reasonable riders

2 hours ago, TTT said:

You'd think they'd try and get Emil or Lambert even though the latter hasn't shown an interest in riding in Britain according to ITK's.

I don't know who'd sign Lambert on 9.4ish average but he has to ride in the UK if he wants to represent us on the world stage.  AFAIK.  I'd hope he signs for Kings Lynn or Northampton.

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[Gavan]

3 hours ago, ouch said:

 

 

What the hell is wrong with you two really wtf. Out of all the witches trolls you are both gold standard. 

I’ve previously posted about the points difference between teams in the league table in 2025 & 2026. You can deduce the competitiveness from that. I’m not putting the figures down again, look up some facts yourselves for once.

Christ, you say the Aces were down as champions in June but Ipswich the previous season were considered champions before a wheel was turn with many on here saying it was the best league team since 1998 and they would go the whole season without defeat. It’s on this site from last year for Christ sake, why are you denying this?????

You then go on to say you weren’t competitive so it was unfair. When adding in the RS to your total team average, you had the highest of the lot ffs. You were all telling us that Jason Doyle approached you this year and you turned him down yet everything is so unfair for you, that’s bleedin ridiculous. 

You cannot see the published data and arrive at the nonsense you do, it’s impossible so are you trolling and why??

One consistent with you both is the absolute refusal to debate the facts as your go to response is bad language and name calling. WHY??

 

What the hell are you on about 

What a daft rant

Let me write it in plain English for you as you must have some reading difficulties 

2025 … 4 teams go into the play offs and any one of them could win

2026 …. 4 teams go into the play offs and only one can win 

Is that simplistic enough 

Belle Vue have won titles by fine margins 

2026 was easy no competition… not Belle Vues fault it was the way it was 

Now the next part if your brain can handle it …

Ipswich scrambled together a hastily built average side…. We didn’t care we was happy to just be on track last season…. We didn’t give up you clown we wasn’t good enough …. The team was so poor that even Blodorn and Cook won races at Foxhall …. We was happy to make the play offs 

Now part 3 … Hope you can get all of this

Coleman saved our club last season and told us all to wait until 2027…. And boy he is true to his word …. Refused to pay what Dan Thompson was offered at Leicester so didn’t just chuck money around 

Waited and got Bewley who wanted a new challenge …Cairns who wasn’t a fan of the track …. And Doyle who was always coming home 

You are unlike the other Belle Vue fans on here …. You are not really clued up on the sport … can’t debate can’t have banter…. Just a bit of a prat 

[Col]

Swindon would be Doyles home of choice.

[Col]

Swindon would be Doyles home of choice.

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9 hours ago, Gavan said:

What the hell are you on about 

What a daft rant

Let me write it in plain English for you as you must have some reading difficulties 

2025 … 4 teams go into the play offs and any one of them could win

2026 …. 4 teams go into the play offs and only one can win 

Is that simplistic enough 

Belle Vue have won titles by fine margins 

2026 was easy no competition… not Belle Vues fault it was the way it was 

Now the next part if your brain can handle it …

Ipswich scrambled together a hastily built average side…. We didn’t care we was happy to just be on track last season…. We didn’t give up you clown we wasn’t good enough …. The team was so poor that even Blodorn and Cook won races at Foxhall …. We was happy to make the play offs 

Now part 3 … Hope you can get all of this

Coleman saved our club last season and told us all to wait until 2027…. And boy he is true to his word …. Refused to pay what Dan Thompson was offered at Leicester so didn’t just chuck money around 

Waited and got Bewley who wanted a new challenge …Cairns who wasn’t a fan of the track …. And Doyle who was always coming home 

You are unlike the other Belle Vue fans on here …. You are not really clued up on the sport … can’t debate can’t have banter…. Just a bit of a prat 

Firstly, many thanks for offering up some debatable points rather than the one sentence replies usually containing abuse. Just on that, you called me a clown for stating Ipswich gave up. I never said that, it was another poster. If you could differentiate between who says what when dolling out insults as it’s bad enough being called all the names under the sun for my posts so taking the flak for others is a bit much. 

With regards your comment. 

2025 … 4 teams go into the play offs and any one of them could win

2026 …. 4 teams go into the play offs and only one can win 

That is just your opinion and should not be presented as fact as it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny anyway. The last two semi finals between our two clubs ended 110-70 & 79-101. A difference of just 9 points in negligible yet one year is consider nip & tuck, who’s going to win, whilst the other is a forgone conclusion. Unfair assessment. This unfairness is further enforced when taking into account the plaudits being rightfully bestowed on champions elect Ipswich. The Aces were not thought of in the same way, as this forum is testament to. 

Much like this season in ‘23 Belle Vue sailed away at the top of the league, indeed the gap between top and bottom was a colossal 35 points. Did we win it that year - no we didn’t. 

If you listen to interviews or transmissions from around the tracks, read social media (inc here), speedway star or other media outlets the overriding comments over the decades about the play offs is that “anything can happen” or “we all start equal”. 

The team you scrambled together ended up being the strongest team at the start of the season when looking at the declarations. Jason Edwards was signed in early January. It has been stated on here that if you think a rider hasn’t signed just because it’s not been announced then you are being naive. Why do you think Mark didn’t approach Tom or Danny when sorting the Northampton team. There would have always been an A and B team set up purely to cater for Jason. Having ridden in this country over three separate decades he has no doubt had occurrences where a handshake was done but the contract never signed. Couple this with his heavy schedule and he needs certainty, certainty that Ipswich couldn’t provided given their predicament. Don’t be in any doubt but most of your team was in place pending signed contracts very early on. The fact Jason was rebuffed part way into the season had nothing to do with the purchase of the club. Most witches increased their average and the problem for you guys was Tom and the number six position. Those positions should have totalled 12.5 by seasons end, the fact you got less than 9 was the issue not the purchase of the club. 

To target Norick and Zach, suggesting they only won races due to your supposed poor team is grossly unfair. Norick has won heats at Foxhall in every season since we signed him as a 17 year old (‘22 was 4 paid wins). Zach scored paid 13 from 15 on his Foxhall debut in 2023. This information is all available on updates. 

Dan Thompson was always going home to the track he cut his teeth as a boy. Money didn’t enter into it. 

You have your opinions about Dan & Will and I respect that. Jason was always returning to Ipswich but to call it home is a stretch considering he has done way more laps with Poole, Somerset and Swindon. 

To say I’m not clued up on the sport is simple not true and I prefer to debate than receive constant insults, nice sign off btw.

I look forward to debating these points and others with you over the coming weeks.