William Cairns and Cooper Rushen no longer Rising Stars?

[krompa]

Can't believe what I'm reading. U21 British riders with spots up for grabs in Premiership but 2 most promising riders are eliminated only because they performed too good last season.

Shambles, total shambles. In Poland the only criteria is age. In UK of course everything has to be complicated. 🤮

Edited 9 hours ago by krompa

[Bagpuss]

Cooper never was a rising star.

[krompa]

I know, he wasn't on RS list. But now with new rules and mandatory U21 Brit in squad, why do they exclude 2 hottest prospects?

[cowboy cookie returns?]

So they can both be at Ipswich why else 😂

[phillwhitewasmad]

1 minute ago, krompa said:

I know, he wasn't on RS list. But now with new rules and mandatory U21 Brit in squad, why do they exclude 2 hottest prospects?

One is mandatory don't say anywhere you can't have 2 British riders u21

[Bagpuss]

1 minute ago, krompa said:

I know, he wasn't on RS list. But now with new rules and mandatory U21 Brit in squad, why do they exclude 2 hottest prospects?

Probably to 'even out' whats left. Cooper and Will are always going to get their ride as the 'other' U21 anyway.

What beggars belief is the lack of a 'Rising Star' scheme in the Championship where both reserves really should be young Brits.

 

 

[krompa]

1 minute ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

One is mandatory don't say anywhere you can't have 2 British riders u21

You can have 7 if you want. But you are missing the point. Why BSPA always tries to complicate things? Why can't both mentioned riders be used as 6/7 as long as they are U21?

[phillwhitewasmad]

1 minute ago, krompa said:

You can have 7 if you want. But you are missing the point. Why BSPA always tries to complicate things? Why can't both mentioned riders be used as 6/7 as long as they are U21?

Because cooper isn't a rising star and will's average is to high 

[40-38]

28 minutes ago, krompa said:

Can't believe what I'm reading. U21 British riders with spots up for grabs in Premiership but 2 most promising riders are eliminated only because they performed too good last season.

Shambles, total shambles. In Poland the only criteria is age. In UK of course everything has to be complicated. 🤮

Surely there has to be some kind of average based cut off, otherwise you could end up with a rider at the top of the averages whilst riding at no.7?

[krompa]

6 minutes ago, 40-38 said:

Surely there has to be some kind of average based cut off, otherwise you could end up with a rider at the top of the averages whilst riding at no.7?

Nothing wrong with that as long as top 6 riders count towards points limit.

[SteveLyric2]

59 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

So they can both be at Ipswich why else 😂

Well, one will!!😉

[RoundTheBoards]

4 hours ago, krompa said:

Nothing wrong with that as long as top 6 riders count towards points limit.

 

Michael Lee was a 10.5 average, British Champion and King's Lynn No.1 at age 19.     You're want someone like that in the No.7 Rising Star berth ?

[therefused]

I think this poster has a point, the two slots should be at reserve and shouldnt count towards the team building averages. 

What do they do in Poland? Seems like we have a more complicated version of that. When there is already a lack of good quality u21 riders three of them are now technically not part of the scheme anymore by the looks of it. 

Just seems like the BSPA have bowed down to Poland again. 

[Fromafar]

So much for 8 teams,just the usual shambles.Pathetic. Back to basics 1 competitive League would have been the answer.IMO.Feel sorry for the fans having to watch the same riders every other week.

[Daniel Smith]

3 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:

 

Michael Lee was a 10.5 average, British Champion and King's Lynn No.1 at age 19.     You're want someone like that in the No.7 Rising Star berth ?

Why not?? At the start of the season, Michael Lee would be just a 19 year old at No7.

As the season progressed he'd still end up No1, British Champion and World Champion.

Rising Stars are not locked in at No7 after the start of the season. 

With Rushen around 4.50, and Kim Nilsson is available on a similar average, some clubs would scrap Rushen for the "safer option". Then possibly move for a foreign U21 on a 3.00.

It's also a reason why the Rising Star should have been U24 / 5.00.

British Speedway has always done a terrific job in recent history of trying to hamper and burn British kids development. 

The last thing we need is clubs burning ex-Rising Stars / youngsters because they'd got a too high average. 

This current system could be way simpler by just saying every British rider U21 gets 25% until the season they turn 22 and / or the achieve an average of 6+.

[Fortythirtyeight]

5 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Probably to 'even out' whats left. Cooper and Will are always going to get their ride as the 'other' U21 anyway.

What beggars belief is the lack of a 'Rising Star' scheme in the Championship where both reserves really should be young Brits.

 

 

But is there enough riders to go around that fit that criteria?

[Col]

6 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

will's average is to high 

What 3.77

[Aries]

6 minutes ago, Col said:

What 3.77

Yes. Anyone now averaging over 3.5 graduates out of the scheme and gets a 25% reduction in their average for the following year.

[Col]

I see, that rules Kileen out too.

[PersonalResponsibility]

2 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said:

 

Michael Lee was a 10.5 average, British Champion and King's Lynn No.1 at age 19.     You're want someone like that in the No.7 Rising Star berth ?

Why not? It's basically a cheat code if your club finds a good junior. Who knows, it might even encourage clubs to develop some riders when they see the benefits.