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Sorry jenga didn't know you were waiting for an update. 

Well done to Tungate - don't like him but he seems to be flying. 

Well done Smiler - that's more like it. 

Don't know why Joshie went over the white line twice. Trying too hard to get past maybe? Might have had a decent score otherwise. 

 

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4 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

......and now they are even more vulnerable due to foreigners who should be on sevens being turned into 5.2 ringers.

Where is your historical evidence to back up your claim?  - please provide details of how many  of the foreign newcomers to the second tier achieve an average of 7 in their first Season.

The reality is that for both Scottish based clubs to attract promising English riders, who generally prefer to race for English CL teams,  they require to offer a better financial package.

Hence why Edinburgh in particular, try to recruit promising overseas riders within their budget.

It may have escaped your notice that Monarchs remained loyal to Englishman Max Clegg whose final GSA in 2015 was 3.48 and only increased to 4.15 after three Seasons.

The prerogative of any Promotion is to try to sign riders whom they consider will form part of a competitive team, irrespective of nationality.

It would appear Monarchs were the only Promotion willing to sign Englishman Matt Williamson for 2018,  so instead of frequently whining on the Edinburgh topic about teams, such as us, signing promising overseas riders, try and be more objective and take account of the geographical difficulties that some clubs encounter with regard to rider recruitment.

 

 

 

 

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I'm not singling your club out, the discussion just happens to have developed on this thread. The article says that the CL promoters voted for this 'initiative' as a whole so they are all to blame. Usual Edinburgh defensiveness!

 

Whether these foreigners achieve seven is neither here nor there, it stands to reason that if they are 1.8 cheaper in than they should be in the first place they are more likely to be signed and make those riders already in the 5-6 point bracket that Paul speaks of even more vulnerable, including the British ones.

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8 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

Whether these foreigners achieve seven is neither here nor there, it stands to reason that if they are 1.8 cheaper in than they should be in the first place they are more likely to be signed and make those riders already in the 5-6 point bracket that Paul speaks of even more vulnerable, including the British ones.

So you are unable to provide historical evidence of numerous, if any, foreign newcomers achieving a 7 pt  CL GSA in their maiden Season, yet you still persist in claiming  that they are "1.8 cheaper in than they should be in the first place".

Is it the 1.3 conversion factor that you are unhappy with also?  

If not, then surely foreign newcomers such as Kasper Andersen recruited by King's Lynn should start on 5.38 instead of 4.00, in order to justify your view that overseas newcomers to the CL begin on 7.00?

If the 5.38 PL start figure had been implemented, it might have meant that the likes of Josh Auty would still be at King's Lynn, and who knows, Buster might have been able to accommodate the likes of Jacobs or Perks also :P 

IMO the previous 7.00 point starting GSA for overseas newcomers in the PL was correctly reduced, based on the data from previous Seasons, something you wish to ignore in justifying you're so called "ringers" argument. 

 

 

 

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There would be no complaints from me if there were no four point foreigners in the PL. Wouldn't want Jacobs or Auty but would take Perks, would have any of them if we were a CL team though. Which is what the discussion is about after all, these lads missing out on second division spots.

Why should new foreign riders get spots before all the Brits who want a place are offered one?

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1 hour ago, Bagpuss said:

There would be no complaints from me if there were no four point foreigners in the PL. Wouldn't want Jacobs or Auty but would take Perks, would have any of them if we were a CL team though. Which is what the discussion is about after all, these lads missing out on second division spots.

Why should new foreign riders get spots before all the Brits who want a place are offered one?

Agree with this and as a Witches fan although I am looking forward to seeing Haertel I wouldve been delighted to have seen Nathan Greaves back in that slot.

I hope he gets sorted elsewhere as it would be a travesty if he doesnt get a Championship place in 2018.

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2 hours ago, Bagpuss said:

There would be no complaints from me if there were no four point foreigners in the PL. Wouldn't want Jacobs or Auty but would take Perks, would have any of them if we were a CL team though. Which is what the discussion is about after all, these lads missing out on second division spots.

Why should new foreign riders get spots before all the Brits who want a place are offered one?

Why shouldn't they?

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On 10/01/2018 at 9:44 PM, jenga said:

not many comments on the aussie rd 2 champs !

Quite right, shame on us.....

I followed the result on Speedway updates and was delighted for Sam finishing 2nd, a big improvement from Saturday.

Unfortunately, Josh went the other way from Saturday and had a couple of costly mistakes (maybe heatstroke after getting too used to the Scottish weather ;))

The show, so far, belongs to Mr Tungate and well done to him

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3 hours ago, JanAnderson said:

Why shouldn't they?

 

Because if the Brits don’t come first and we lose our British riders the national team with disappear, the profile of the sport will sink even lower, the sport won’t be able to afford the extra costs of flying in riders, our league will be at the beck and call of the foreign leagues, just like last season with Poland dictating where riders should ride, there will be less interaction between riders and potential local supporters because they will rarely be in the country, there will be less interest in a sport in which only foreigners participate, all us families who support NL riders and give our time to clubs for free will be lost to the sport ....

 

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

Because if the Brits don’t come first and we lose our British riders the national team with disappear, the profile of the sport will sink even lower, the sport won’t be able to afford the extra costs of flying in riders, our league will be at the beck and call of the foreign leagues, just like last season with Poland dictating where riders should ride, there will be less interaction between riders and potential local supporters because they will rarely be in the country, there will be less interest in a sport in which only foreigners participate, all us families who support NL riders and give our time to clubs for free will be lost to the sport ....

 

ALA .  English football and even Scottish football .never win the world cup now .   even managers/coaches  ( not buses )   arnt english .

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1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

Because if the Brits don’t come first and we lose our British riders the national team with disappear, the profile of the sport will sink even lower, the sport won’t be able to afford the extra costs of flying in riders, our league will be at the beck and call of the foreign leagues, just like last season with Poland dictating where riders should ride, there will be less interaction between riders and potential local supporters because they will rarely be in the country, there will be less interest in a sport in which only foreigners participate, all us families who support NL riders and give our time to clubs for free will be lost to the sport ....

 

First of all we are discussing a CL club here and no one is advocating that the NL should allow overseas riders to participate in their league.

At Edinburgh, the supporters have had very few problems with the overseas guys recruited in terms of commitment.

Indeed in 2016 when we ran our final home match, due to previous postponements, on 21st October , a break of 3 weeks since our last actual race meeting, our 3 Germans traveled back to honour their commitment.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said of a certain English team member who threw a sickie, but was well enough to attend a social function  at his EL club on the same night!

Unlike the overseas riders who are prepared to commute here, we have great difficulty in attracting decent English prospects to sign on for us, usually citing our base as being too far for them to travel.

So what are we supposed to do, just employ any Brit who is willing to come, irrespective of their ability?

Well current & potential local supporters up here  would soon lose interest if we were compelled to track cannon fodder in the name of keeping all British riders in a job.

Oh and btw, our foreign guys do socialise after the meeting and our promising Aussie, Josh Pickering, stayed within a couple hundred yards of the Stadium with a local family.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Gr8scot said:

Quite right, shame on us.....

I followed the result on Speedway updates and was delighted for Sam finishing 2nd, a big improvement from Saturday.

Unfortunately, Josh went the other way from Saturday and had a couple of costly mistakes (maybe heatstroke after getting too used to the Scottish weather ;))

The show, so far, belongs to Mr Tungate and well done to him

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OK, I can see your point that English riders may not want to travel all the way to Edinburgh, although Glasgow have signed six!

 

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7 hours ago, DC2 said:

 

OK, I can see your point that English riders may not want to travel all the way to Edinburgh, although Glasgow have signed six!

 

and that might be a big deciding factor how much difference would the same rider get riding for each club

 

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