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Belle Vue v Swindon 14/5/18 BT Sport

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9 minutes ago, A ORLOV said:

That is a hell of a drop in numbers and income for the club, not good.

Yes and at supporters meeting before the season the owners said they were losing lot of money last year and needed more people coming and this year it’s even worst.

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2 minutes ago, Rob B said:

Yes and at supporters meeting before the season the owners said they were losing lot of money last year and needed more people coming and this year it’s even worst.

When the track was built it was mentioned that it would be available for lots of training etc, is any training of youngsters taking place that would bring in a bit of income on non race days.

Am also surprised that there does not seem to have been any GB training camps, firstly for the main GB riders and especially for the next group of GB riders coming through.  Also a couple of Test matches would help with income. 

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42 minutes ago, Rob B said:

£18 actually, no BT offer this year. Personally I think they should have given vouchers out though at last weeks BH meeting for £10 this week.

Apart from BH Monday, other Mondays crowds have been 400-500 down on last season, that’s a hell of a lot. The racing is still as good on excellent track with good facilities, decent team lineup similar to last few seasons, the main reason is change from Friday to Monday which could get worst with TV fixtures on Mondays starting now.

Hopefully school holidays will make a difference soon.

 

Twenty-two for the main stand. I would have thought they would at least try to fill the seats by having the same price.

It's been shown many times that people turn up for tv meetings if there is some sort of offer on. If there isn't they tend to stay away.

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44 minutes ago, Grachan said:

Twenty-two for the main stand. I would have thought they would at least try to fill the seats by having the same price.

It's been shown many times that people turn up for tv meetings if there is some sort of offer on. If there isn't they tend to stay away.

Is the price set by the staging track or the BSPA? There still seems to be some confusion. And do we know for certain what the BT match fee is?

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14 minutes ago, waytogo28 said:

Is the price set by the staging track or the BSPA? There still seems to be some confusion. And do we know for certain what the BT match fee is?

Last year it was compulsory £10 set by BSPA/BT, that’s not happening this year although nothing to stop clubs trying it.

It does help bring in bigger crowds for TV meetings but long term not sure about then benefit. Lakeside famously did free entry few years ago and got huge crowd then the following week it was back to normal.

Its all about getting people coming back each week, since Belle Vue moved to NSS and mainly Friday nights the crowds have gradually increased over the last 2 years, but this year they have dropped right back down again with change of race night.

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1 hour ago, Grachan said:

Twenty-two for the main stand. I would have thought they would at least try to fill the seats by having the same price.

It's been shown many times that people turn up for tv meetings if there is some sort of offer on. If there isn't they tend to stay away.

Yes, you get more people but do you get enough to make a profit or at least to keep your losses at the same level as a smaller crowd paying full price. Belle Vue obviously know how many they got at £10 for the TV meetings last year and have decided it isn't worth the risk. I'm sure they would have done if the figures supported charging £10.

The interesting thing about the higher price for the grandstand is that usually there are more people in there than there are in the cheaper south stand.

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1 hour ago, A ORLOV said:

When the track was built it was mentioned that it would be available for lots of training etc, is any training of youngsters taking place that would bring in a bit of income on non race days.

Am also surprised that there does not seem to have been any GB training camps, firstly for the main GB riders and especially for the next group of GB riders coming through.  Also a couple of Test matches would help with income. 

They haven’t run as many training days as they had hoped as the stadium is run by the council, apparently this is difficult. There has been some though and the new GB setup had 2 days at NSS few weeks ago training the young riders :

 

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It's Man City's title parade too so that probably won't help the attendance. Bet there is some 'creative' camerawork tonight...

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2 minutes ago, Aces High said:

It's Man City's title parade too so that probably won't help the attendance. Bet there is some 'creative' camerawork tonight...

Exactly why they should, maybe, let everyone in for the same price tonight so that they can put everyone in the grandstand and make it look busier.

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7 minutes ago, Grachan said:

Exactly why they should, maybe, let everyone in for the same price tonight so that they can put everyone in the grandstand and make it look busier.

Until riders go down the back straight and we see an empty stand. 

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2 hours ago, Aces51 said:

Belle Vue ran on Monday at the dog track but that was not by choice but because of their landlords. They wanted to race on Friday and changed to that day as soon as they moved to the NSS. As Rob has said crowds have been down significantly this year and the only difference is the race night. 

The lack of TV money makes it difficult to take the risk of £10 entry for TV meetings.

Oh I see that is a massive drop in numbers, don't they get any tv money?

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1 minute ago, foreverblue said:

Oh I see that is a massive drop in numbers, don't they get any tv money?

The TV money seems to be a secret but obviously Belle Vue know what they are going to get, they know the crowds they got for the £10 TV meetings last year and have decided that it doesn't make financial sense to offer £10 entry this year. I'm sure they would have done if they thought that the overall gate receipts would be higher or even about the same.

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2 hours ago, A ORLOV said:

When the track was built it was mentioned that it would be available for lots of training etc, is any training of youngsters taking place that would bring in a bit of income on non race days.

Am also surprised that there does not seem to have been any GB training camps, firstly for the main GB riders and especially for the next group of GB riders coming through.  Also a couple of Test matches would help with income. 

Yes, and the training school was included in the approved planning application.

Its hard to say whether running training schools was part of Chapman's underhanded take over plan of Belle Vue, we will never know, the council thought he was an idiot (paraphrased but an absolute fact) therefore they got someone with proper business acumen to run the speedway. 

The stadium is run by the council, they have no interest in running a training school, Belle Vue's new owners, who rent the stadium just for Aces and Colts meetings, aren't traditional speedway people (more aviation) and aren't really that interest either, because in the short term at least it will lose money.

Chapman undermining the last promotion just for his own greedy ends has cocked everything up, it seems everything he touches relating to speedway turns to dogrubbish!

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28 minutes ago, Grachan said:

Exactly why they should, maybe, let everyone in for the same price tonight so that they can put everyone in the grandstand and make it look busier.

And if not a tenner then there is lots of middle ground between that and twenty two quid.

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42 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

And if not a tenner then there is lots of middle ground between that and twenty two quid.

£18 standing, no one forcing you to sit in grandstand and BTW it’s £21 for normal grandstand seat and £24 for premium seats and it’s always the premium seats that sell out first which shows price isn’t always the problem.

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