World Team Cup

[SteveEvans 248]

This is a great idea. In the group round I would suggest that at 1 meeting there are 2 matches of 10-12 heats each. This would prevent interest being lost where you had Poland Vs Germany and you just know its going to be lots of 5-1s all the way. Maybe go up to 15-18 heats for the semi's and final.

 

The current WTC format gives exciting racing so I don't see it changing. but I prefer the above so the world can see the art of team riding.

[Kent Kestrel 0]

I'd like to see a tournament similar to the ice hockey world championship structure. Have nations of comparable strength split into divisions.

 

For instance:-

World Championship Division - Poland, Denmark, Australia, England, Sweden and Czech Republic

Division 1 - USA, Russia, Finland, Germany, Slovenia, Hungary.

Division 2 - Latvia, Norway, Italy, Scotland, France, Croatia

Division 3 - Ukraine, Austria, Wales, Argentina, Holland, Canada

Division 4 - Slovakia, New Zealand, South Africa, Romania, Malaysia, Estonia, Bulgaria.

 

Annual tournaments, six man teams, two groups of three, race each other once. Top two from each group battle it out for the medals with semis/final and the two nations who finish bottom of the division raceoff with the victors staying in the division and the losers being relegated to the division below. With the winners of the lower division winning promotion.

So you'd have a week long event for all the divisions, with a separate country hosting each tournament. The logistics of the lower nations competing could prove problematical due to finance, etc. A few of the nations would struggle to find six riders but i'd be interested to know if it would work.

[spin king 1,923]

I'd like to see a tournament similar to the ice hockey world championship structure.  Have nations of comparable strength split into divisions.

 

For instance:-

World Championship Division - Poland, Denmark, Australia, England, Sweden and Czech Republic

Division 1 - USA, Russia, Finland, Germany, Slovenia, Hungary.

Division 2 - Latvia, Norway, Italy, Scotland, France, Croatia

Division 3 - Ukraine, Austria, Wales, Argentina, Holland, Canada

Division 4 - Slovakia, New Zealand, South Africa, Romania, Malaysia, Estonia, Bulgaria.

 

Annual tournaments, six man teams, two groups of three, race each other once. Top two from each group battle it out for the medals with semis/final and the two nations who finish bottom of the division raceoff with the victors staying in the division and the losers being relegated to the division below.  With the winners of the lower division winning promotion. 

So you'd have a week long event for all the divisions, with a separate country hosting each tournament.  The logistics of the lower nations competing could prove problematical due to finance, etc. A few of the nations would struggle to find six riders but i'd be interested to know if it would work.

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I would go for that idea as well, I just think that I would like to see teams of 7 riders.

[enotian 563]

I would go for that idea as well, I just think that I would like to see teams of 7 riders.

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How about an un programmed reserve to take it up to seven man teams.

 

I think that format would be excellent as perhaps the 7th and 8th ranked teams wouldn't be a match for the likes of Denmark.

 

Or how about rotating the format on a 4 year basis?

 

For example:-

 

2008: 6 or 7 men teams

 

2009: Pairs (using the old knockout GP format)

 

2010: Four Team Tournament

 

2011: Individual World Final (3 qualifiers, 1 repecharge + a final)

 

2012: bach to 6 or 7 men teams

 

etc etc

 

Variety is the spice of life.

[Humphrey Appleby 13,974]

I would like to see rather than team of four racing with four teams in a meeting, why not have teams of seven racing one team against one team, like they do in league racing.

 

Because there would only be about four or five countries strong enough to track competitive sides. The other problem is that most of the meetings wouldn't have any home interest, so would be a financial disaster. Even if you went for a home-and-away format, it's impractical for the like of Australia and the US to ride home meetings.

[Jeff. 2]

Wouldn't matter in this country, as many people support the swedes, Danes, Aussies and Poles as they do the Brits

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You are too young to remember the World Team Cup Finals of 1976 & 1982 at White City. No crowd and a financial disaster because England failed to make the final.

[stevehone 3,433]

You are too young to remember the World Team Cup Finals of 1976 & 1982 at White City. No crowd and a financial disaster because England failed to make the final.

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the exact reason why the easier qualifier will always be sorted in favour of 'Team' GB

[Vicar 2]

It's my dream to see SWC format that teams racing one team against one team, like they do in league racing.

 

Imagine that in speedway is big sponsor, who give nations unbelievable sum of money. So there wouldn't be problems with money, bikes, locations and logistics. How many teams could start in SWC? What squads?

 

Argentina:

1. Emiliano Sanches

2. Lisandro Husman

3. Lucas Allende

4. Nicolas Covatti

5. Martin Albanese

6. Rafael Gismondi

7. Gustavo Curzio

 

Australia: (only example, because we all know that there are many riders, so there wouldn't be problem with squad)

1. Jason Crump

2. Leigh Adams

3. Ryan Sullivan

4. Rory Schlein

5. Davey Watt

6. Chris Holder

7. Troy Batchelor

 

Austria:

1. Manual Hauzinger

2. Friedrich Wallner

3. Manuel Novotny

4. Heinrich Schatzer

5. Norbert Groegler

6. Christopher Fink

7. Josef Fasching

 

Belgium:(I wasn't strict, there are only 3 belgium riders, I've add Turksema , Colvin and Bergers [they have belgium licence])

1. Guido Hulsman

2. Willy Kennis

3. RR

4. Eddie Turksema

5. Shane Colvin

6. Arjan Borgers

7. Wim Kennis

 

Canada:

1. Kyle Legault

2. Aaron Hesmer

3. Jeff Orosz

4. Joe Heye

5. Gary Hesmer

6. John Kehoe

7. Fred Legault

 

Croatia:

1. Jurica Pavlic

2. Ivan Vargek

3. Nikola Martinec

4. Marko Vlah

5. Nikola Pigac

6. Dino Kovacic

7. Renato Cvetko

 

Czech Republic:(example)

1. Lukas Dryml

2. Ales Dryml

3. Adrian Rymel

4. Joesf Franc

5. Zdenek Simota

6. Filip Sitera

7. Jan Jaros

 

Danmark:(ex.)

1. Nicki Pedersen

2. Bjarne Pedersen

3. Hans Andersen

4. Niels K. Iversen

5. Kenneth Bjerre

6. Jesper B. Jensen

7. Charlie Gjedde

 

Finland:

1. Joonas Kylmaekorpi

2. Kaj Laukkanen

3. Kauko Nieminen

4. Juha Hautamaeki

5. Jari Maekinen

6. Kalle Katajisto

7. Tero Aarnio

 

France:

1. Matthieu Tresarrieu

2. Sebastien Tresarrieu

3. Christophe Dubernard

4. Stephane Tresarrieu

5. Jean Michel Bouillaud

6. Philippe Ostyn

7. Jeremy Diraison

 

Germany:

1. Martin Smolinski

2. Christian Heffenbrock

3. Thomas Stange

4. Matthias Schultz

5. Tobias Kroner

6. Tobias Busch

7. Max Dilger

 

Great Britain:(ex.)

1. Scott Nicholls

2. Chris Harris

3. Lee Richardson

4. Simon Stead

5. Edward Kennett

6. Chris Louis

7. Olliver Allen

 

Holland:

1. Jannick de Jong

2. Theo Pijper

3. Henk Bos

4. Rene van Weele

5. Kaj de Jong

6. Mark Stiekema

7. Henry van der Steen

 

Hungary:

1. Laszlo Szatmari

2. Sandor Thinayi

3. Norbert Magosi

4. Josef Tabaka

5. Roland Kovacs

6. Atilla Stefani

7. Attila Molnar

 

Italy:

1. Mattia Carpanese

2. Simone Terenzani

3. Daniele Tessari

4. Andrea Maida

5. Christian Miotello

6. Guglielmo Franchetti

7. Simone Tadiello

 

Latvia:

1. Kostia Podzuks

2. Maksim Bogdanovs

3. Leonid Paura

4. Aleksander Iwanow

5. Viatcheslaw Gieruckij

6. Jewgienij Karavackis

7. Jewgienij Pietuchow

 

Malaysia:

1. Nazrie Ramli

2. Mohammad Azlan Abdullah

3. Azmi Kaseran

4. Amli Jamat

5. Nur Azman Masdar

6. Rody Sofian Buang

7. Mohd Saufi Wang

 

Norway:

1. Rune Holta

2. Rune Sola

3. Lars Gunnestad

4. Mikke Bjerk

5. Lars Gunnestad jr

6. Carl Raugstad

7. Marius Rokeberg

 

New Zealand:

1. Andrew Bargh

2. Andrew Aldridge

3. Dale Finch

4. Jade Mudgway

5. Grant Tregoning

6. Andrew Tree

7. Kody Tocher

 

Poland:(ex.)

1. Tomasz Gollob

2. Jarosław Hampel

3. Piotr Protasiewicz

4. Krzysztof Kasprzak

5. Sebastian Ułamek

6. Grzegorz Walasek

7. Weisław Jaguś

 

Romania:

1. Alexandru Toma

2. Fanica Popa

3. Marian Gheorge

4. Mihai Deimar

5. Marian Cojocaru

6. Mircea Agrisan

7. Stefan Popa

 

Russia:

1. Roman Povazhny

2. Renat Gafurow

3. Denis Gizatullin

4. Semen Wlasow

5. Emil Saifutdinov

6. Ruslan Gatyatov

7. Danil Iwanov

 

Slovakia: (I wasn't strict for this team, because I want many teams, so there is Topinka [he's from Czech Republic, but have slovakian licence] and Jaroslav Gavenda [he rode 10 years ago], Gaspar Forgac)

1. Martin Vaculik

2. Vladimir Visvader

3. Gaspar Forgac

4. Rastislav Bandzi

5. Tomas Topinka

6. Jaroslav Gavenda

7. Jan Halabrin

 

Slovenia:

1. Matej Zagar

2. Matej Ferjan

3. Izak Santej

4. Jernej Kolenko

5. Denis Stojs

6. Maks Gregoric

7. Matija Duh

 

South Africa:

1. Byron Bekker

2. Martin Bekker

3. Brendan Coughlan

4. Deon Prinsloo

5. Ian Hutchinson

6. Bobby Devine

7. Deon Swart

 

Sweden:

1. Andreas Jonsson

2. Fredrik Lindgren

3. Jonas Davidsson

4. Peter Karlsson

5. Mikael Max

6. Magnus Zetterstroem

7. Peter Ljung

 

Ukraine:

1. Andriej Karpow

2. Andriej Kobrin

3. Yaroslav Poluchovitch

4. Wladimir Kolodiy

5. Wiktor Gaydym

6. Wladimir Trofimov

7. Stanislav Ogorodnik

 

USA:

1. Billy Hamill

2. Greg Hancock

3. Chris Kerr

4. Billy Janniro

5. Ryan Fischer

6. Ricky Wells

7. Tom Hedden

 

Without teams:

Bulgaria: only Milan Manev

Estonia: only Margus Mandre and Ken Vildas

Japan: only Hideaki Ota

Moldova: only Igor Murasko

Suitzerland: only Sirg Schutzbach

 

So there are 28 teams in championships! I think the good system would be by divisions like wrote Ken Kestrel. There wouldn't be so big differences in teams strenght. Maybe six groups with 4-5 teams, or 4 groups with seven teams. So big group will be very exciting. One team (or two) goes down, and one (or two) go up in each group. Like in league. For ex.:

 

Group 1: Poland, Sweden, Danmark, Australia, Great Britain, Russia, Czech Republic

Group 2: Germany, USA, Hungary, Slovenia, Finland, Norway, Italy

Group 3: Austria, Croatia, Latvia, Ukraine, Holland, France, Slovakia

Group 4: Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Malaysia, New Zealand, Romania, South Africa

 

What do you think: who will win in each group? If someone want can try simulate by Speedway Meeting this champs

Edited January 26, 2008 by Vicar

[topaz325 1,861]

May be one day in the distant future, 2040, but by then Speedway will be banned for being too dangerous/dirty, anyway i,m sure that Holta chap is Polish!

[Saint Rob 0]

You can change the format as much as you like, GB still wouldn't win. Even if they were the only team in it

[MattK 3,447]

I like the current format.

[AndyM 1]

Wonderful idea, bringing back fond memories of the tournaments in the early 70s, though I think you've drilled down to too low a level, Vicar. Sure Australia v Canada or South Africa would be a nice even contest! You could adopt handicapping, of course...

[BigFatDave 258]

I would go for that idea as well, I just think that I would like to see teams of 7 riders.

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I can see problems for England here......

[Bavarian 768]

Instead of Great Britain, You could have three separate national teams England, Scotland and Wales.

By the way, are there any Irish riders around these days? (Or at least some with Irish forefathers?)

[Humphrey Appleby 13,974]

You could have three separate national teams England, Scotland and Wales.

 

Where does it end? Why not have a separate national team for Bavaria as well?

 

(Or at least some with Irish forefathers?)

 

So national teams would end-up being contrived rather than truly representative? A bit like the NZ Maoris in the Rugby League World Cup.

Edited February 10, 2008 by Humphrey Appleby