lisa-colette 6,035 Posted October 2, 2015 I thought the referee said to Mark Lemon that he hadn't noticed Newman had no goggles on, not that he didn't know about the rule.It's been said on here that the ref thought there was no such rule. If he did know about the rule and just didn't see Newman without them then I agree with your earlier post! 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bradders 7 Posted October 2, 2015 I was stood at the starting gate and a lot of people down below shouted up towards the referee's box about the goggles and if you want to be more picky, he wasn't at tapes when the clocked struck 0.00 either. Personally, he could have been excluded and then gone 15 metres back as he may well have come 2nd or 3rd based on how our reserves were on Monday. The fact he was struggling with them and everyone else was looking across at the incident at tapes, makes you wonder what on earth Graham Flint was doing? As a starting marshall with goggles in his hand the referee not noticing it, he should be banned from refereeing for half the season and take lessons. If this has had been Jim Lawrence then the situation would have been dealt with there and then, as he is the best referee in the UK for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted October 2, 2015 So it seems there was no mention of any incident at heat 12, nor any official protest in the official referee's report to the SCB, so I'm not quite sure what people expect the SCB to do?? Thank Belle Vue for writing in afterwards and wish them well in their new home!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted October 2, 2015 So it seems there was no mention of any incident at heat 12, nor any official protest in the official referee's report to the SCB, so I'm not quite sure what people expect the SCB to do?? Thank Belle Vue for writing in afterwards and wish them well in their new home!! Where have you got a copy of the referees report from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted October 2, 2015 Where have you got a copy of the referees report from? Dakota North's family. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,355 Posted October 2, 2015 I was stood at the starting gate and a lot of people down below shouted up towards the referee's box about the goggles and if you want to be more picky, he wasn't at tapes when the clocked struck 0.00 either. Personally, he could have been excluded and then gone 15 metres back as he may well have come 2nd or 3rd based on how our reserves were on Monday. The fact he was struggling with them and everyone else was looking across at the incident at tapes, makes you wonder what on earth Graham Flint was doing? As a starting marshall with goggles in his hand the referee not noticing it, he should be banned from refereeing for half the season and take lessons. If this has had been Jim Lawrence then the situation would have been dealt with there and then, as he is the best referee in the UK for me. Pointless post, because its still down to the REF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil The Ace 2,860 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) 1 thing no one as mentioned was that I'm sure (but could be wrong) don't ya have to also where your cut off thingy (wire) round your wrist. Newman didn't in that heat 12 Edited October 2, 2015 by Phil The Ace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,143 Posted October 2, 2015 Pointless post, because its still down to the REF. Not a pointless post - it shows that if spectators saw an offence being committed, why didn't the referee. He surely must have seen what was going on between the rider and the start marshall due to the time scale involved, yet appeared not to do anything about it. Or he didn't see it, in which case he wasn't paying attention to his job, or saw it and ignored it in which case he is lacking in doing his job, or saw it and didn't know it was an offence i.e. didn't know the rule book, in which case he should be reprimanded, retrained, banned for a period or sacked. This was a final determining the champions of the Elite league, you expect top referees to be in charge..... or perhaps there was!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,035 Posted October 2, 2015 If you are going to penalise Newman for that then you are going to have to watch footage of every meeting to make sure every rider has been doing it! After all if wasn't on sky, you wouldn't even know! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace no.5 169 Posted October 2, 2015 But the referee should know, whatever meeting it is. If a rider is at tapes messing around for a minute or so surely that should draw the referees attention... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,662 Posted October 2, 2015 1 thing no one as mentioned was that I'm sure (but could be wrong) don't ya have to also where your cut off thingy (wire) round your wrist. Newman didn't in that heat 12 That is a serious breach of the rules if he wasn't wearing the cut off lanyard.Even the mechanics,riders warming up their bikes in the pits have to put these on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damosuzuki 696 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I believe there was some discussion about this lanyard thing earlier and come the race he had it on (that was my understanding anyway). This is why they are needed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qtu8BiGIVA I like how the fat bloke in the red shirt stays ice cool, chomping his pie. Edited October 2, 2015 by damosuzuki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,355 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) 1 thing no one as mentioned was that I'm sure (but could be wrong) don't ya have to also where your cut off thingy (wire) round your wrist. Newman didn't in that heat 12 He did, try watching the clip again. His cut off was TIGHTLY on when he lined up to race.. Edited October 2, 2015 by Starman2006 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,292 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) And "gogglegate" rumbles on....!😃 But not it has to be said by many aces fans... Maybe it did change the result, but then again so did Scott's tape exclusion, Cookie's fall and exclusion and the reserves getting pummelled by their counterparts. Add in Matej not dominating like a World Top Rider may have been expected to do and it has to be said, we did more damage to the loss that any ref's balls up did (and lets not forget Steve W didn't cover himself in glory staying down either) Imagine what we would be discussing now if we had got a 3-3 in the rerun😵!? Not meant to be in anyway critical of any of the riders mentioned either by the way it is simply the way sport pans out with its many 'what if?' moments.. Really proud of what the Aces achieved to a man, roll on next year. A great future lies ahead for us I am sure... Well done to Poole. The best team over the season won the title.. Nothing wrong with that... Edited October 2, 2015 by mikebv 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted October 2, 2015 1 thing no one as mentioned was that I'm sure (but could be wrong) don't ya have to also where your cut off thingy (wire) round your wrist. Newman didn't in that heat 12 Pure BS. The TV coverage clearly shows Kyle tightening the cut-out lanyard immeadiately after the Start marshall took his goggles! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
