Tsunami 10,219 Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) It was my understanding that messages are conveyed by radio and via the start marshall? And at many tracks a board with the warning on is shown to the rider, in case he doesn't hear a verbal warning. This is in full view of the fans so everyone knows about it. NB Just seen Alan Jones previous post on this. It was a great start.....................unless you had the miraculous vision of the grandstand who in a split second all determined he jumped. Guess its easier to the naked eye than watching loads of replays!! Belle Vue deserved winners after Cooks exclusion and Bjarne being so injured after sliding off at 2mph and staying down. It's a Poole thread and of course Gavan has to be leading the criticism from the front with stupid comments. But you haven't anything personal against Poole have you. Edited May 24, 2016 by Tsunami Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted May 24, 2016 And at many tracks a board with the warning on is shown to the rider, in case he doesn't hear a verbal warning. This is in full view of the fans so everyone knows about it. NB Just seen Alan Jones previous post on this. So why don't all tracks do it. It's only a minor issue but so simple and cheap to put right. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted May 24, 2016 Surely Ref Jim Lawrence will have reminded (warned) all riders before the meeting that if they were adjudged to have been the cause of a heat being called back twice - then they would be d/q'd?! Usually its quite clear for the fans when the Start Marshall has a word with the rider after the first stoppage. While on the subject of warnings, I thought riders were not allowed back to the pit gate for any 'tweaking', after a false start? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted May 24, 2016 What is even worse is that the rider does not have the option of a 15yard handicap, or the team putting in a reserve rider. If you go through the tapes it amounts to just as much a delay, as in the eyes of the ref a false start, as the tapes have to be replaced. They do have the option, people just don't know how to read the rulebook so no reserve was used. Amazing really! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted May 24, 2016 It's a Poole thread and of course Gavan has to be leading the criticism from the front with stupid comments. But you haven't anything personal against Poole have you. Lol! Thing is no one bothers to listen to him as its the same anti Poole drivel every post. Did you really expect him to say anything different? His hatred coulds his judgment and now he is joined by drop a cog or Fred Flange or whatever he now wants to call himself. They do have the option, people just don't know how to read the rulebook so no reserve was used. Amazing really! It wasnt a tape infringement so no reserve could be used. It was for delaying the start. If Cook Didnt jump, why did half the grandstand yell out and the ref call it back twice? No amount of slow mo replays will disprove what the naked eye saw in real time. All slow mo will do it take away what happened in that split second. Agree there should be yellow and red cards. That would be good. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woodenspoon 157 Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Lol! Thing is no one bothers to listen to him as its the same anti Poole drivel every post. Did you really expect him to say anything different? His hatred coulds his judgment and now he is joined by drop a cog or Fred Flange or whatever he now wants to call himself. It wasnt a tape infringement so no reserve could be used. It was for delaying the start. If Cook Didnt jump, why did half the grandstand yell out and the ref call it back twice? No amount of slow mo replays will disprove what the naked eye saw in real time. All slow mo will do it take away what happened in that split second. Agree there should be yellow and red cards. That would be good. I bet half the Grandstand do not yell out, in protest, when a Poole rider gets a flyer. Edited May 24, 2016 by woodenspoon 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) If Cook Didnt jump, why did half the grandstand yell out and the ref call it back twice? No amount of slow mo replays will disprove what the naked eye saw in real time. All slow mo will do it take away what happened in that split second. Agree there should be yellow and red cards. That would be good. First one was just a perfect start.Great side on replay shows Cook is still at the point the magnets release. He does move before the tape in front of him due to a 6-9 inch lag to the centre. 2nd was a jump IMO. Edited May 24, 2016 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobMcCaffery 2,752 Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) I think it was in a match in Poland, although it might have been Sweden where a warned rider had a large sign with an exclamation mark printed on it shown to him. When I was announcing the referees' warnings were always clearly passed on to the start marshal and also to the crowd via the announcer. . It's not that difficult and avoids debates like this one. It wouldn't cost that much to put a board together and to ensure the start marshal uses it. As someone else said it all adds to the show. Edited May 24, 2016 by rmc 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starboy118 237 Posted May 24, 2016 Lol! Thing is no one bothers to listen to him as its the same anti Poole drivel every post. Did you really expect him to say anything different? His hatred coulds his judgment and now he is joined by drop a cog or Fred Flange or whatever he now wants to call himself. It wasnt a tape infringement so no reserve could be used. It was for delaying the start. If Cook Didnt jump, why did half the grandstand yell out and the ref call it back twice? No amount of slow mo replays will disprove what the naked eye saw in real time. All slow mo will do it take away what happened in that split second. Agree there should be yellow and red cards. That would be good. Are you really being serious about slow motion replays and the naked eye? If you are, you must be living on a different planet! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heathen chemistry 660 Posted May 24, 2016 first time he didnt jump, second time he did the first one looked like he did because the outside tape moves slightly before the inside tape due to slack sometimes a rider makes a perfect start would like to hear from cook if he was warned for the first one, cuz if he was i dont think he'd of jumped the second, as for saying if the ref says before the meeting if any rider jumps twice there out yes thats ok , but he still has to inform the rider who he deemed jumped the first time or how would they know there on a warning.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbee 510 Posted May 24, 2016 Kylmakorpi was moving big time in heat 15 Poole fans haven't said anything about that and the ref let it go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted May 24, 2016 Middleditch has said on Twitter that he didn't think Cook jumped but perhaps he only saw it on the numerous TV replays. He didn't have the benefit of the much superior view from the grandstand and the reaction of the neutral crowd. Cook has also said he wasn't warned. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobrakeshere1 37 Posted May 24, 2016 Having not watched the meeting on tv, and not going to suffering it, I would say to us in the stand, that Cook deserved to be booted out of the heat. It was clear that on the first attempt he was moving and everyone in the grandstand noticed it. So did the ref. He then did exactly the same thing the second time. Easy to look at slow mo replays on tv and for it to look ok but in real time he moved on both occassions and everyone in the grandstand reacted both times. Only time it happened in the meeting. He was still in his other rides. IMO and most in the grandstand, the ref got it right. Excluded for delaying the start. Having been to the tapes myself hundreds of times i can honestly say that the slightest movement will set you off, first time I think Cook saw the magnet and off he went, perfect start, second time he jumped. Seen far worse where the ref lets it go. Imagine the scenes if that had been Mike Lee excluded.................. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mickthemuppet 976 Posted May 24, 2016 Pity the tapes did did not go up level for all four riders and so would not give an advantage to gates one and four. Then of cource that could be seen from the stands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted May 25, 2016 I bet half the Grandstand do not yell out, in protest, when a Poole rider gets a flyer. They do at most tracks away from Wimborne Road - well most tracks with a grandstand!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
