The Collapse Of The Pound And The Effect On The El

[BluTiger 21,712]

He doesn't get me outraged at all. You still haven't said why you don't believe the country has massive state and personal debt and a massive balance of payments crisis or why you don't believe the Bank of England pumped £435 billion QE into the economy. Presumably you think Osborne did a cracking job and sorted the economy out.

Still, you are obviously not going to answer those points now, so time to move on.

Source: UK Government Data. Excludes public sector bank bailouts. In the financial year (April 2015 to March 2016) net borrowing was £76.5 billion.

[The Voice Of Reason 2,124]

 

still waiting for all that information you said you had.

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/do-royals-make-us-richer.html?m=1

[houdi 535]

We dismiss him as anyone who work and writes is paid by the Daily Mail they have a certain view ...if was writing pro Euro stuff he would have no Job at the Daily Mail hence why it's easy to dismiss what he writes . He paid money to be a puppet .

 

When someone had such a bias as he has and he has to only to put a certain view point across he view becomes worthless . Do you reckon if researched something that made the Eu look good etc he would he write it or be allowed to write it . not in a million years .

Except he writes for the Mail on Sunday not the Daily Mail, and of course the Mail on Sunday was for Remain not leave. Plus of course Peter Hitchen in his youth was an extreme left winger, so he has examined politics from both sides.

Over the last few weeks the Remain side mantra has been yes we voted to leave the EU, but not the single market and customs union, and that people were not aware that leaving the EU also meant leaving the single market.

Yesterday on the Daily Politics Nick Clegg again repeated that assertion. Unbelievably the BBC (yes the BBC)and Io Coburn were able to run clips were Cameron and Osborne made it crystal clear if we voted leave, we would leave the single market. They also showed clips of Leadson,Boris and Gove all confirming that we would also be leaving the single market. The face of Clegg at the end of the clip was priceless, as he tried to bluster his way out of it

Late last night on This Week, Andrew Neil put it to Chucka Umumna that the only thing both sides agreed on pre referendum, was that voting to leave, would mean us leaving the single market, and he again he had to accept reluctantly that both sides had indeed made it clear we would leave the single market. As Portillo said the idea that the PM could come back from talks and say we still can't control our borders, we still are under the control of the ECJ, and we still can't strike independent trade deals is laughable.

The fact that over 3 months since the vote, people are still refusing to accept the outcome, just shows the utter arrogance of some people and their complete contempt for democracy.

[jeffster 60]

Except he writes for the Mail on Sunday not the Daily Mail, and of course the Mail on Sunday was for Remain not leave. Plus of course Peter Hitchen in his youth was an extreme left winger, so he has examined politics from both sides.

Over the last few weeks the Remain side mantra has been yes we voted to leave the EU, but not the single market and customs union, and that people were not aware that leaving the EU also meant leaving the single market.

Yesterday on the Daily Politics Nick Clegg again repeated that assertion. Unbelievably the BBC (yes the BBC)and Io Coburn were able to run clips were Cameron and Osborne made it crystal clear if we voted leave, we would leave the single market. They also showed clips of Leadson,Boris and Gove all confirming that we would also be leaving the single market. The face of Clegg at the end of the clip was priceless, as he tried to bluster his way out of it

Late last night on This Week, Andrew Neil put it to Chucka Umumna that the only thing both sides agreed on pre referendum, was that voting to leave, would mean us leaving the single market, and he again he had to accept reluctantly that both sides had indeed made it clear we would leave the single market. As Portillo said the idea that the PM could come back from talks and say we still can't control our borders, we still are under the control of the ECJ, and we still can't strike independent trade deals is laughable.

The fact that over 3 months since the vote, people are still refusing to accept the outcome, just shows the utter arrogance of some people and their complete contempt for democracy.

 

Oh yes, a great piece of democracy that will set this country back decades !

 

In case you haven’t noticed we have a massive trade deficit and a whopping great national debt !

 

There's no sign of the government coming up with a plan to get Britain's virtually non-existent manufacturing industry actually making stuff to export and no one wants to invest in the U.K. because we look like a very bad risk.

 

Oh and our very successful financial sector is about to lose its ability to trade easily across national borders.

 

Brilliant. What's left? Tourism. And that puts us on about the same category as Greece but without the weather.

 

Even David Davis has issued warnings re Brexit : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-david-davis-agrees-that-businesses-face-cliff-edge-threat-if-no-eu-trade-deal-is-struck-by-a7371376.html

 

Brexit: David Davis agrees that businesses face ‘cliff edge’ threat if no EU trade deal is struck by 2019

The Secretary of State of Exiting the European Union acknowledged the danger if companies are forced to ‘fall back on World Trade Organisation rules’

Brexit Secretary David Davis has admitted businesses face a damaging “cliff edge” if the Government misses its two-year deadline for striking a fresh EU trade deal.

Quizzed in the Commons, Mr Davis agreed with a Labour MP who outlined the dangers if companies are forced to “fall back on WTO rules” in 2019.

Earlier this month, business leaders – including the CBI and manufacturers’ body the EEF – wrote an open letter to ministers, making a plea for barrier-free trade with Europe to be preserved.

It warned defaulting to trading by World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules would leave 90 per cent of UK goods trade with the EU subject to new tariffs.

During Brexit questions, Labour backbencher Emma Reynolds pointed out that other EU members had yet to agree to trade talks alongside the two-year Article 50 exit negotiations.That would mean 20 per cent in extra costs for the UK’s food and drink industry and 10 per cent for car producers, the letter said.

She said: “The truth is that business are concerned that we are going to have to fall back on WTO rules.

What, therefore, is the Government and the Secretary of State going to do to avoid the cliff edge in March 2019, when we leave the European Union, possibly falling out of the EU single market and falling back on WTO rules?”

In reply, a bullish Mr Davis insisted that some of the other 27 EU nations were coming around to the idea of “parallel negotiations”, from early next year.

But he added: “She’s quite right that we need to conclude this within the two years to avoid any cliff edge.”

It is the first time a Cabinet minister has acknowledged the “cliff edge” threat if Britain is unable to reach agreement on new trading arrangements before Brexit is concluded.

The most likely way out is for Britain to negotiate transitional arrangements, possibly on a sector-by-sector basis, starting with financial services.

However, such an outcome would anger arch-Brexiteers, because it would involve paying billions into the EU’s budget for many years to come and – possibly – some continued freedom of movement for EU citizens.

In the Commons today, Mr Davis signalled that transitional arrangements are under discussion to protect the City, telling MPs that “all possible options” are being explored.

The calls for transitional arrangements for the City were led by the former Conservative Northern Ireland Secretary Theresa Villiers – a prominent Leave campaigner.Several times, the Brexit Secretary refused to say whether payments to the EU would continue after 2019 – or whether Britain would also leave its customs union.

Stephen Metcalfe, another Tory Leave campaigner, urged Mr Davis to allow “an element of free movement”, to protect science.

Sir Keir Starmer, the Shadow Brexit secretary, demanded to know when the Government will publish its negotiating plans, but Mr Davis again refused to give a specific date.

Instead, he said: “Over the course of the coming period before the triggering of Article 50, much information will be put out about this and I think the House will be in no doubt what our aims and strategic objectives are.”

But, hey, all in brexiteers land is rosy....You keep on thinking that !

Edited October 21, 2016 by jeffster

[Humphrey Appleby 13,974]

Except he writes for the Mail on Sunday not the Daily Mail, and of course the Mail on Sunday was for Remain not leave. Plus of course Peter Hitchen in his youth was an extreme left winger, so he has examined politics from both sides.

Peter Hitchens is a socially conservative right winger, regardless of what he once was in his youth or who he writes for.

 

Over the last few weeks the Remain side mantra has been yes we voted to leave the EU, but not the single market and customs union, and that people were not aware that leaving the EU also meant leaving the single market.

The vote didn't specify the manner of exit, so arguing for different options is perfectly valid. The Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people, but it's not the will of 16 million+ people. A solution needs to be found to satisfy as many people as possible.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[Starman2006 2,356]

 

 

The vote didn't specify the manner of exit, so arguing for different options is perfectly valid. The Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people, but it's not the will of 16 million+ people. A solution needs to be found to satisfy as many people as possible.

But 17 + million voted out simple as that, result stands.

[E I Addio 15,851]

The Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people, but it's not the will of 16 million+ people. A solution needs to be found to satisfy as many people as possible.

The problem there is thst It was, in the words of the PM a straight in/out referendum, not something to find the best way to satisfy all parties. Unfortunately, the man responsible for the shambles resigned from public life straightaway and started looking for something easier and better paid away from the public eye.

 

If the public voted in the belief that it was a straifght in oout referendum I am not sure how constitutionally the politicians could backtrack on it.

[houdi 535]

Peter Hitchens is a socially conservative right winger, regardless of what he once was in his youth or who he writes for.

 

 

The vote didn't specify the manner of exit, so arguing for different options is perfectly valid. The Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people, but it's not the will of 16 million+ people. A solution needs to be found to satisfy as many people as possible.

So, the argument being put forward was that he writes for the Mail and so would be automatically for leave,when the Mail on Sunday was staunchly for remain.

No the vote said we want to leave the EU, indeed it didn't say we want to half leave or remain in parts of the EU,and both sides are on the public record that we would be leaving the single market. The trade deal we get is something that could not be put in any referendum, as we couldn't possibly know at the time,what that deal is.You don't know every single decision a government will make when you elect them. Indeed Clegg broke an election promise within days of being elected.

So what do the 16 million remain voters want ? The idea they all want the same is laughable. Does Corbyn want a Europe like Blair, or Osborne want the same as the leader of Unite. The reality is you and many people like you,simply refuse to accept the result,and continue to seek any way possible to thwart the result, fortunately many people who voted remain have accepted the result. Indeed some of the harshest critics of remoaners like you are actually people,who initially voted for remain. Parliament voted overwhelmingly for a referendum, and it was made clear that they would accept the result and implement it. The result was clear, You just appear as a sore and bitter loser. You lost and when you wake tomorrow you will have still have lost.

[Humphrey Appleby 13,974]

No the vote said we want to leave the EU, indeed it didn't say we want to half leave or remain in parts of the EU

You have no idea on which basis people voted to leave, or whether they fully understood all the implications, anymore than you're saying that assumptions can't be made about the 16 million who didn't.

 

Calling people names doesn't change the fact that the country only voted to leave the EU by a small majority, and the vote has massively divided the country as well as age groups. A number of parts of the country voted overwhelming to stay in the EU, and that's particularly concerning where those parts were already agitating for independence. This is quite apart from the 1.5 million expat Britons in the EU who are now left in total limbo with respect to their lives.

 

If you can't understand how this is an issue, whether you agree with those peoples' views or not, then it really sums up how selfish people have become in the UK. This is not like a general election where you can vote again in 5 years time and try to overturn the result.

 

And as for who's lost, lets wait and see how the UK economy does in the coming years. The Uk government is already making soundings that it's going to have to continue to pay into the EU to keep access to certain markets, which is an indication that it's now coming to terms with the harsh realities of leaving the single market.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[Steve Shovlar 10,439]

The result was clear, You just appear as a sore and bitter loser. You lost and when you wake tomorrow you will have still have lost.

And so would have the country. There are no winners. The remainers have lost, the people who voted to leave have also lost. Not in the short or medium turn, but in the long term. We are already quite heavily out of pocket. And that's before Article 50 has been invoked.

 

Every day we see prices rise. Every time I fill up I see fuel prices have risen. Food prices have risen. Inflation is starting to rear its ugly head.

 

I should imagine every morning on awaking, brexit voters lie in bed thinking, "What the hell have I done"? They won't admit it publicly of course. No way. But the damage and carnage caused by these people, most without the slightest inkling at the time of how it was actually going to cost them, is now starting to bite them on the arse.

 

But of course its 'worth it', to keep these migrants from Europe out of Britain and away from British jobs.

[houdi 535]

You have no idea on which basis people voted to leave, or whether they fully understood all the implications, anymore than you're saying that assumptions can't be made about the 16 million who didn't.

 

Calling people names doesn't change the fact that the country only voted to leave the EU by a small majority, and the vote has massively divided the country as well as age groups. A number of parts of the country voted overwhelming to stay in the EU, and that's particularly concerning where those parts were already agitating for independence. This is quite apart from the 1.5 million expat Britons in the EU who are now left in total limbo with respect to their lives.

 

If you can't understand how this is an issue, whether you agree with those peoples' views or not, then it really sums up how selfish people have become in the UK. And as for who's lost, lets wait and see how the UK economy does in the coming years.

So speaks the voice of the morally superior arrogant elite. The poor stupid people didn't really know what they voted for, ha ha ha.

The vote to leave was the biggest vote ever, the size of the majority is irrelevant. If you win the Premiership on goal difference you still get to win it.

I believe all the regions of England voted to leave apart from London,as well as Wales. You do realise parts of Scotland were and always have been 'agitating for independence for years'. Indeed as your beloved EU made crystal clear if they had voted for independence in 2014,they would have been outside the EU. Clearly Sturgeon and indeed 45% of the population weren't that bothered about EU membership just 2 years ago.

So if Corbyn wins the next election, unlikely I know, would he have to implement parts of the Conservative manifesto just because millions of people have voted Tory and he needs to reflect their wishes.

As for the future I'm still waiting for the emergency budget , the collapse in house prices, a falling stock market, the recession et al.

[Humphrey Appleby 13,974]

So speaks the voice of the morally superior arrogant elite.

And there speaks the voice of the Brexit brigade - just resorting to calling people names who take a different perspective to them.

 

If you win the Premiership on goal difference you still get to win it.

This isn't about winning a football championship, which is pretty much forgotten about the following season when everyone starts again.

 

And you can be sure that if the Brexiteers had lost the vote by the same margin, they wouldn't have accepted the result and would have demanded another referendum.

 

As for the future I'm still waiting for the emergency budget , the collapse in house prices, a falling stock market, the recession et al.

The UK hasn't left the EU yet, although the falling pound is an indication of things to come however some want to dress it up.

Edited October 21, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby

[houdi 535]

And there speaks the voice of the Brexit brigade - just resorting to calling people names who take a different perspective to them.

 

 

This isn't about winning a football championship, which is pretty much forgotten about the following season when everyone starts again.

 

And you can be sure that if the Brexiteers had lost the vote by the same margin, they wouldn't have accepted the result and would have demanded another referendum.

 

 

The UK hasn't left the EU yet, although the falling pound is an indication of things to come however some want to dress it up.

I am perfectly happy for people to have different views, indeed if we all shared the same opinions it would be a boring world.The fact you can't seem to grasp is we had the arguments/debates months ago, we then had a vote, but you just won't accept the vote.

Indeed maybe some brexiteers may not of accepted the vote,if the vote had been the other way, we don't know that for sure , but it wouldn't have made it right though.The referendum in the 1970's was accepted by the overwhelming majority back then.I don't remember back then there being any mention of EU Parliaments,the ECJ, single currencies, EU Presidents,EU flags, EU anthems,oh no it was just about free trade.

As has been said before, the pound devalued after we left the ERM ,and the economy boomed,despite the consensus of the establishment experts, and of course the 'simple people' were told by experts that not joining the Euro would be a disaster for the UK in terms of trade , inward investment and for the City of London. And yet you still wonder why ordinary people, happily ignore the so called experts.

Edited October 21, 2016 by houdi

[Deano 1,318]

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/do-royals-make-us-richer.html?m=1

 

Clearly written by a republican.

 

I thought I was going to be bashed with convincing unbiased facts and figures.

 

I have to laugh at this one.

 

"Another factor to consider is the secretive powers the royal family have to manipulate government legislation to their own advantage"

 

No bias at all obviously...

[tellboy 3,670]

And so would have the country. There are no winners. The remainers have lost, the people who voted to leave have also lost. Not in the short or medium turn, but in the long term. We are already quite heavily out of pocket. And that's before Article 50 has been invoked.

 

Every day we see prices rise. Every time I fill up I see fuel prices have risen. Food prices have risen. Inflation is starting to rear its ugly head.

 

I should imagine every morning on awaking, brexit voters lie in bed thinking, "What the hell have I done"? They won't admit it publicly of course. No way. But the damage and carnage caused by these people, most without the slightest inkling at the time of how it was actually going to cost them, is now starting to bite them on the arse.

 

But of course its 'worth it', to keep these migrants from Europe out of Britain and away from British jobs.

I thought fuel and food go up and down on a regular basis anyway.Can you remember buying fuel in 2012 it was over £1.40 a litre so it's got a little way to go yet before we are out of pocket.