00000 1,279 Posted July 8, 2017 All this doubling up is a shambles. It is the last thing Lakeside need in their first season at NL to be losing a rising star who people want to see because of a clash with a higher-league club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted July 8, 2017 Too many teams, not enough riders. I can't see things improving any time soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex2000 266 Posted July 8, 2017 All this doubling up is a shambles. It is the last thing Lakeside need in their first season at NL to be losing a rising star who people want to see because of a clash with a higher-league club. so you are saying no doubling up so effectively locking the 'rising star' at one level not allowing them to progress in the sport. Although it can be a pain it is the only way riders will ever improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
East End Fan 426 Posted July 9, 2017 A13X200 is perfectly correct. In fact the doubling up system itself was introduced, as I understand it, to give rising stars the opportunity to try their skills in the upper league. There were rules in force that said that they could only do it for a max' of 2 years. Sadly, that rule did not last very long. I suspect that the promoters found it easier to get riders to double up rather than to uncover their "own" talent and that is why we have such a system as we have today. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
00000 1,279 Posted July 9, 2017 UK speedway is blighted by doubling up. Riders came through the ranks in the past and there's no reason why it shouldn't happen in the future. Much easier to the top clubs to snaffle riders from the NL for nothing. Doubling up should have been used to sort out a short-term problem - now it is endemic. I would ask what the Premiership clubs are doing to bring on riders (other than Belle Vue). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,065 Posted July 9, 2017 so you are saying no doubling up so effectively locking the 'rising star' at one level not allowing them to progress in the sport. Although it can be a pain it is the only way riders will ever improve. Agreed. In effective that scenario is exactly what happened with Greaves. The NL would break with uneven teams midseason if every time a heat leader moved up they couldn't continue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,845 Posted July 9, 2017 so you are saying no doubling up so effectively locking the 'rising star' at one level not allowing them to progress in the sport. Although it can be a pain it is the only way riders will ever improve. In essence you are right , young riders should be allowed to progress, but Lakeside like most other clubs have had years, and years, and years of guests for all kinds of flimsy reasons some genuine, some not, and the fans are just about sick and tired of it. To put it another way round, Zak and Alfie are two of the most exciting riders in the team., if they are missing the entertainment value is diminished, and more and more people will get fed up and walk. Its that simple. Its been going on far too long. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,780 Posted July 10, 2017 Sympathise with Lakeside over this but at the same time the whole idea of the NL should be to produce youngsters for the higher levels, this could be the opening that Bowtell needs to take his career on to the next level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
00000 1,279 Posted July 10, 2017 Sympathise with Lakeside over this but at the same time the whole idea of the NL should be to produce youngsters for the higher levels, this could be the opening that Bowtell needs to take his career on to the next level. It should not be at the expense of the Lakeside supporters/club. You also say that the whole idea of the NL is to produce youngsters for higher levels. The higher levels decided in their wisdom that they would not pay any transfer/loan fees from NL, and denied NL clubs the right to have assets. That decision rather changed the dynamics of the league. There is now no financial incentive for NL clubs: most are standalone businesses and the top clubs leeching off those at the bottom is rank unfairness. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,065 Posted July 10, 2017 In essence you are right , young riders should be allowed to progress, but Lakeside like most other clubs have had years, and years, and years of guests for all kinds of flimsy reasons some genuine, some not, and the fans are just about sick and tired of it. To put it another way round, Zak and Alfie are two of the most exciting riders in the team., if they are missing the entertainment value is diminished, and more and more people will get fed up and walk. Its that simple. Its been going on far too long. What do you suggest is the alternative? Riders shouldn't be stopped from moving up but equally they shouldn't be forced out of the NL if they get a Championship spot. Look at Bowtell, he wouldn't cope with only Championship racing but without DU he wouldn't have been given a chance. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tocha 308 Posted July 10, 2017 An even stronger case for moving this meeting is the fact that Max Clegg will be missing for Buxton as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E I Addio 15,845 Posted July 10, 2017 What do you suggest is the alternative? Riders shouldn't be stopped from moving up but equally they shouldn't be forced out of the NL if they get a Championship spot. Look at Bowtell, he wouldn't cope with only Championship racing but without DU he wouldn't have been given a chance. I don't suggest any alternative other than a bit of common sense. If this was one example in isolation the fans woukd probably stand it but how long have fans been complaining about missing riders, guests and r/r and the promoters being deaf to their complaints? As I said before, nothing against Zach and Alfie but the bottom line is fans pay their money and are entitled to s full squad, not a parched up side sad on after season. It's one of the things killing the sport. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
00000 1,279 Posted July 10, 2017 I don't suggest any alternative other than a bit of common sense. If this was one example in isolation the fans woukd probably stand it but how long have fans been complaining about missing riders, guests and r/r and the promoters being deaf to their complaints? As I said before, nothing against Zach and Alfie but the bottom line is fans pay their money and are entitled to s full squad, not a parched up side sad on after season. It's one of the things killing the sport. In this initial season in the NL, Lakeside need their top riders to capture the imagination of the fans and build up the numbers on the terraces. At Eastbourne, we were fortunate in unearthing some new stars in our first season- and they didn't miss meetings through d/u nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liam 376 Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) I have to say the prospect of no Alfie and his rides being taken by Laurence and the two reserves does not excite me at all. Edited July 10, 2017 by liam Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marko 956 Posted July 10, 2017 Does anyone else recall the days where two teams would have a rider missing and rather than use guests or R/R they agreed to both promote a number 8 and give another youngster a chance? We don't even see number 8's now when teams use R/R yet alone them getting promoted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
