Starman2006 2,356 Posted March 23, 2017 it would also cheat the public of 4 riders in a race speedway is far enough as it is no easy solution ? Then what do you suggest einstien Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted March 23, 2017 Then what do you suggest einstienwhy do you have to be rude to people as I said there there is no easy solution if you can't be civil don't answer my post thanks 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KN1 168 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Then if thats the case he runs the risk of being thrown out. Understand what you are saying, but the list of riders trying to do this is getting longer and longer..Every rider knows that, but I ask again if you do not anticipate the start then what are you suppose to do? Edited March 23, 2017 by KN1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted March 23, 2017 Every rider knows that, but I ask again if you do not anticipate the start then what are you suppose to do?James sarjeant is a perfect example of what your saying Kelvin often say's on TV he is unfairly treated because he makes the perfect getaway from the gate 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IronScorpion 1,413 Posted March 23, 2017 That is why I would like to see the sport more modernised & posted this some time ago. Posted 16 September 2016 - 03:31 PM A system could be used similar to motor racing. Transponders used to monitor movement, do away with tapes & have an overhead/track canopy 20/25metres down from the start with red lights for ready & then green for go. All the riders are facing forward which eliminates the chance of riders on gates 1 & 4 moving slightly with the riders on 2 & 3 going & getting penalized The transponders work like in athletic sprints. If your reaction time is less than 0.1 seconds it is a faulty start & are excluded. NO MOVEMENT ALLOWED! James sarjeant is a perfect example of what your saying. Kelvin often say's on TV he is unfairly treated because he makes the perfect getaway from the gate TJ is another. Some riders have quicker reflexes or quicker hand/eye coordination to the tape magnets moving. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daveallan81 330 Posted March 23, 2017 Then what do you suggest einstien World class... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,356 Posted March 23, 2017 World class... Yep it was, perhaps you have the perfect solution then ? Every rider knows that, but I ask again if you do not anticipate the start then what are you suppose to do? Sit still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
damosuzuki 696 Posted March 23, 2017 Proper start line technology, lasers transponders whatever. Even at Berwick 50th season last week there were riders being warned for perfectly fine starts.Relying on tapes is all well and good - but if that's the case they should just use touching the tapes as the rule. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The White Knight 9,039 Posted March 23, 2017 James sarjeant is a perfect example of what your saying Kelvin often say's on TV he is unfairly treated because he makes the perfect getaway from the gate Stuart Robson has fallen foul of the 'anticipation' situation too on a number of occasions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,249 Posted March 23, 2017 Every rider knows that, but I ask again if you do not anticipate the start then what are you suppose to do? I grasp what you are saying but in reality riders should react to the start rather than anticipate/guess when the tapes will go up. Obviously sometimes they will get a beauty others they will get pulled back/ hampered Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mickthemuppet 976 Posted March 23, 2017 Surely the tapes should be got rid off completely. How many times do they go up unevenly and always the tapes are slower up in the middle Even the grand Prix's have problems with this ancient device 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KN1 168 Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) I grasp what you are saying but in reality riders should react to the start rather than anticipate/guess when the tapes will go up. Obviously sometimes they will get a beauty others they will get pulled back/ hampered Fair play, "react" that is the best way to put it 👍 Edited March 24, 2017 by KN1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,837 Posted March 24, 2017 Then what do you suggest einstien Is it really any wonder you get the kind of replies that you do from some people? So rude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) it would also cheat the public of 4 riders in a race speedway is far enough as it is no easy solution ?then would that not mean that its the actual riders that are deemed to be cheating the public ?I would say let them move, if they want. It would be 50/50 if they hit or miss, a lot of starts would be uneven and that onus woud be the riders. Some riders will say that they moved cos someone else moved, but really they should be watching the tapes and not other riders, but, your right, there is no easy solution Edited March 24, 2017 by ruffdiamond Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,862 Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) Every rider knows that, but I ask again if you do not anticipate the start then what are you suppose to do? It's about reaction, not anticipation. All other sports with a standing start disallow anticipation of the start. Some starts might look good but there is a limit on how fast a human can react to a visual stimuli. First there is the time for your brain to register what your eyes see and then the brain need to react to that and send signals to telling the muscles to act. Finally there is the time for the clutch to react and the tires to spin up. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_chronometry You can try your own reaction time at this site http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime . My best for click when the red box turned green was 198ms . I agree with Star Lady about the transponders. That would likely eliminate the jump starts since riders (eventually) would learn that there no longer is any idea to try and roll before tapes up since that would be picked up by the transponders. Edited March 24, 2017 by Ghostwalker 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
