enotian 562 Posted January 24, 2021 Or Bero Boys if you're looking for a sponsorship opportunity. Has the list been published? Will the list be published? Am I correct in thinking that there are Grades 4, 3 and 2? With 4's only as #7 in the PL. I'm struggling to identify 6 grade 4's but I suppose it's grade 4 or below in the PL 4 Brennan Bickley Kemp Rowe 3 Flint Hume Bowtell Thomas J Smith Kinsley Wood 2 Jenkins Stoneman Edwards C Bailey Coles Ruddick Marson Lawlor Phillips Woolley L Harris Atkins Palin Gilkes J Thompson D Thompson Wirtzfeld Ablitt Embleton MacDonald Brooks Kelly Andrews Alcock H McGurk or anyone without previous PL and CL appearances. Based on 2019 activity. Don't know if age or retirement have ruled some out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ringitsneck 348 Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, enotian said: Or Bero Boys if you're looking for a sponsorship opportunity. Has the list been published? Will the list be published? Am I correct in thinking that there are Grades 4, 3 and 2? With 4's only as #7 in the PL. I'm struggling to identify 6 grade 4's but I suppose it's grade 4 or below in the PL 4 Brennan Bickley Kemp Rowe 3 Flint Hume Bowtell Thomas J Smith Kinsley Wood 2 Jenkins Stoneman Edwards C Bailey Coles Ruddick Marson Lawlor Phillips Woolley L Harris Atkins Palin Gilkes J Thompson D Thompson Wirtzfeld Ablitt Embleton MacDonald Brooks Kelly Andrews Alcock H McGurk or anyone without previous PL and CL appearances. Based on 2019 activity. Don't know if age or retirement have ruled some out? Not sure they / you can grade the likes of Cole’s, Phillips, Ruddick with all their experience in the Championship and NL the same as Kelly , Palin, Gilkes, who have one season in the NL. But then I don’t agree that J Smith or Thomas should be below some of the 4’s so it’s personal choice I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted January 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, enotian said: Or Bero Boys if you're looking for a sponsorship opportunity. Has the list been published? Will the list be published? Am I correct in thinking that there are Grades 4, 3 and 2? With 4's only as #7 in the PL. I'm struggling to identify 6 grade 4's but I suppose it's grade 4 or below in the PL 4 Brennan Bickley Kemp Rowe 3 Flint Hume Bowtell Thomas J Smith Kinsley Wood 2 Jenkins Stoneman Edwards C Bailey Coles Ruddick Marson Lawlor Phillips Woolley L Harris Atkins Palin Gilkes J Thompson D Thompson Wirtzfeld Ablitt Embleton MacDonald Brooks Kelly Andrews Alcock H McGurk or anyone without previous PL and CL appearances. Based on 2019 activity. Don't know if age or retirement have ruled some out? Just another farcical decision to call anybody “rising star” simply call it “grading and we can argue all we want.Anybody could be a”rising star” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,637 Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) I'm sure the BSPL announcement on Thursday mentioned 'any Brit with average of 4.00 or less' would get a star-rating of 3, 2 or below. Neil Vatcher will have the best overview. Edited January 24, 2021 by Skidder1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woofers 467 Posted January 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I'm sure the BSPL announcement on Thursday mentioned 'any Brit with average of 4.00 or less' would get a star-rating of 3, 2 or below. Neil Vatcher will have the best overview. I can’t find anything in the BSPL announcement about “Brits with an average of 4.00 or less”, they just say each “rising star” would be given a grading of 2, 3 or 4. No mention of how the gradings would be determined. No mention of the age cut off for the “youngsters”. On the basis that teams are being put together on a points basis, presumably using the 2019 season ending averages, surely the gradings of the ‘rising stars’ and ‘youngsters’ are already known in order for teams to be completed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted January 24, 2021 44 minutes ago, woofers said: I can’t find anything in the BSPL announcement about “Brits with an average of 4.00 or less”, they just say each “rising star” would be given a grading of 2, 3 or 4. No mention of how the gradings would be determined. No mention of the age cut off for the “youngsters”. On the basis that teams are being put together on a points basis, presumably using the 2019 season ending averages, surely the gradings of the ‘rising stars’ and ‘youngsters’ are already known in order for teams to be completed? Probably still arguing about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poole keith 911 Posted January 24, 2021 wish all young riders success but all being labelled a rising star isnt going to help them,obviously theyre not "stars" a really silly name 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandelion 775 Posted January 24, 2021 I'm assuming 3.00-4.00 = tier 4 2.00-2.99 = tier 3 Below 2.00/New assesed 2.00ers = tier 2 We're obsessed with tiers this year and last Although that would make the likes of Leon Flint tier 4 and unavailable for this league as a 'rising star' Typical, more confusion caused!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,375 Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Dandelion said: I'm assuming 3.00-4.00 = tier 4 2.00-2.99 = tier 3 Below 2.00/New assesed 2.00ers = tier 2 We're obsessed with tiers this year and last Although that would make the likes of Leon Flint tier 4 and unavailable for this league as a 'rising star' Typical, more confusion caused!! Why would Flint be unavailable, and for what league .? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandelion 775 Posted January 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Why would Flint be unavailable, and for what league .? For the Championship, can't the Championship teams only use up to a tier 3? And his average is 3.34 which would put him in tier 4... Just total guess work, wish they'd let us know what's going on with the tiers for the rising stars Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woofers 467 Posted January 24, 2021 Is Tom Brennan, with a 2019 average of over 6, classified as a rising star ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandelion 775 Posted January 24, 2021 31 minutes ago, woofers said: Is Tom Brennan, with a 2019 average of over 6, classified as a rising star ? He should be considering his age, he's one of Britain's BEST rising stars... But you know how ridiculous the rules can be... Maybe tier 4 rising star will be 4.00+ average but u-23? Or something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arnieg 3,649 Posted January 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dandelion said: He should be considering his age, he's one of Britain's BEST rising stars... But you know how ridiculous the rules can be... Maybe tier 4 rising star will be 4.00+ average but u-23? Or something And Tom Brennan's average was achieved at reserve before a major fracture ended his 2019 season earlyl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leander 495 Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Dandelion said: I'm assuming 3.00-4.00 = tier 4 2.00-2.99 = tier 3 Below 2.00/New assesed 2.00ers = tier 2 We're obsessed with tiers this year and last Although that would make the likes of Leon Flint tier 4 and unavailable for this league as a 'rising star' Typical, more confusion caused!! That's why it's a rubbish rule!!! Newcastle have been forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. no disrespect to either rider. but I would still class Leon Flint and Connor Mountain as possible stars of the future. How many of these "rising Stars" will have their confidence shattered finishing last every race they are up against the more established riders and quit the sport all together, as has happened on more than one occasion in the past. Do they stay at reserve all season?? Like in Poland . (where it was obvious from day 1 that Lezno would win the title as their two compulsory reserves were actually good quality 2nd strings). Or do they move into the team proper if their averages are high enough. A better, in my view, system would be:- Minimum 3 brits per team. one to be under 24, and one (or even two) to be under 20. Irrespective of average. They take their place in the team according to average. That way the "rising stars" would come into the championship when they are ready, and teams are not forced to introduce someone before he is ready 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted January 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, leander said: That's why it's a rubbish rule!!! Newcastle have been forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. no disrespect to either rider. but I would still class Leon Flint and Connor Mountain as possible stars of the future. A can't see why Newcastle were forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites