TotallyHonestJohn 3,078 Posted September 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Parsy29 said: Its much more than that to me and you who live a breath Speedway. Unfortunately its not to many that you speak to from outside the sport. The crowd levels tell us that people would rather spend money on other things now sadly. How many do you ask and remember Speedway from the past but no longer go. Fully agree and that's why my post was on Newcastle page that the sport no longer in its present state can survive in big high rented stadiums with the crowds being attracted. Problem is because of the noise issues getting a new track on a bit of land within 20 miles of a house is just about impossible Tell you what is strange Gav... The Newcastle Double Header was the best attended and most profitable meeting of the season for the promotion which you wouldn't have expected and that worked out at £10 a head per meeting but it still paid off... and made money? however I doubt if those two meetings were run as separate meetings the crowd levels would have been the same and they would have resulted in further losses for the club... £10:00/12:00 per person is achievable if (and its a big if) you were guaranteed the crowd... Regards THJ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted September 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, Justgotmecpc said: Or putting down the sheets on the dog track A think that's just one of the things that needs done to allow the meeting to go ahead,,, but it's no good having a big shop, if there's not many customers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,278 Posted September 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, Marshall07 said: You can't get a lot for £10 these day Gav! And the problem is seeing it as 15 minutes of entertainment, it's much more than that. Someone posted on this forum the other day how the pub would then be 15 minutes of drinking. It's about the whole night out. Family of 4 would pay £35-40 at most championship clubs considering kids are usually £1 or something. Not many places you can take kids that cheap. The biggest stumbling block is the rented tracks. They're the ones that seem to be struggling the most. £35 to £40 is good value fo a family of four however, the vast majority wont do it more than once a month, at most, as more often and it becomes far too expensive as you add on the "extras" of food and drink.. Many seem to equate a night out at the Speedway to a night at the Cinema or TP Bowling however, again, they wont do this regularly, but as a "treat"... And by definition you are then regarding a night at the Speedway as pure entertainment rather than a "sport".. With the other issue then of course being that clubs are trying to, and are dependant on, fans becoming emotionally attached to the club... Yet they choose to run an operating model that can never encourage it... The sport is simply knackered by self inflicted nonsense isnt it? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
noaksey 345 Posted September 14, 2021 Any future for Newcastle or any other club can't be based on getting more people through the gate. That's the easy way to losing money. Base your budget on this seasons attendances deduct rent and expenses and pay the riders what remains. If that isn't viable then it's a shame but close down. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,363 Posted September 14, 2021 46 minutes ago, mikebv said: £35 to £40 is good value fo a family of four however, the vast majority wont do it more than once a month, at most, as more often and it becomes far too expensive as you add on the "extras" of food and drink.. Many seem to equate a night out at the Speedway to a night at the Cinema or TP Bowling however, again, they wont do this regularly, but as a "treat"... And by definition you are then regarding a night at the Speedway as pure entertainment rather than a "sport".. With the other issue then of course being that clubs are trying to, and are dependant on, fans becoming emotionally attached to the club... Yet they choose to run an operating model that can never encourage it... The sport is simply knackered by self inflicted nonsense isnt it? It’s interesting the just before Covid-19,the major Cinema Chains slashed its admission prices to £5.99 (half -price)because of falling attendance level and now they are thriving again.I agree that £30/40 is value but like you say no many will afford it every week.Speedway is a £18-£20 sport purely because of riders pay demands that can be resolved IMO. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topaz325 1,859 Posted September 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, noaksey said: Any future for Newcastle or any other club can't be based on getting more people through the gate. That's the easy way to losing money. Base your budget on this seasons attendances deduct rent and expenses and pay the riders what remains. If that isn't viable then it's a shame but close down. Agree base your budget on the worst attendance and have a large pot of money to lose . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J-D 22 Posted September 14, 2021 Who owns the stadium these days? What’s the estimated rent at Newcastle? It is too good to lose to the sport but we need sustainable costs. You don’t need rocket ships to make for good racing and it is about time we did a reset and doing something about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePark 2,781 Posted September 14, 2021 Just now, J-D said: Who owns the stadium these days? What’s the estimated rent at Newcastle? It is too good to lose to the sport but we need sustainable costs. You don’t need rocket ships to make for good racing and it is about time we did a reset and doing something about it. Arena Racing Company (ARC). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevePark 2,781 Posted September 14, 2021 Taken off Facebook: This Sunday not only marks the final home meeting for the Diamonds of their 2021 Championship campaign, but also what is now looking ever more likely to be the Diamonds final ever meeting at Brough Park. Official Birmingham Speedway are our guests this Sunday as we reach the climax of the 2021 season. We aim to see as many people as possible pack out the terraces at Newcastle this Sunday, as we would love to give our 'Brough' the send off it deserves. It goes without saying that this is not how we wanted to end our season, however if this does turn out to be the last time the Diamonds take to the tapes then we feel its important to give our loyal fans something back. So, to honour this, after the closure of heat 15 we would like to give everyone at Brough on Sunday evening the chance to walk round the track. We appreciate that this is going to be an emotional night for all involved and everyone here at Diamonds HQ continues to pray for Newcastle's survival. Tickets for Sunday can be purchased online now at https://www.trybooking.co.uk/BFQF or via the turnstiles on the day As an extra special treat why not indulge in our VIP Diamond Experience. It’s the perfect way to watch the Diamonds with the added bit of luxury. All you have to do is book online, it’s as easy as that. Hope to see you there BOOK HERE: https://www.trybooking.co.uk/BFMC SPECIAL OFFER FOR SEASON TICKET HOLDERS: £15 per person! Email us at info@newcastle-speedway.co.uk to book! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamondboy 677 Posted September 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, StevePark said: Taken off Facebook: This Sunday not only marks the final home meeting for the Diamonds of their 2021 Championship campaign, but also what is now looking ever more likely to be the Diamonds final ever meeting at Brough Park. Official Birmingham Speedway are our guests this Sunday as we reach the climax of the 2021 season. We aim to see as many people as possible pack out the terraces at Newcastle this Sunday, as we would love to give our 'Brough' the send off it deserves. It goes without saying that this is not how we wanted to end our season, however if this does turn out to be the last time the Diamonds take to the tapes then we feel its important to give our loyal fans something back. So, to honour this, after the closure of heat 15 we would like to give everyone at Brough on Sunday evening the chance to walk round the track. We appreciate that this is going to be an emotional night for all involved and everyone here at Diamonds HQ continues to pray for Newcastle's survival. Tickets for Sunday can be purchased online now at https://www.trybooking.co.uk/BFQF or via the turnstiles on the day As an extra special treat why not indulge in our VIP Diamond Experience. It’s the perfect way to watch the Diamonds with the added bit of luxury. All you have to do is book online, it’s as easy as that. Hope to see you there BOOK HERE: https://www.trybooking.co.uk/BFMC SPECIAL OFFER FOR SEASON TICKET HOLDERS: £15 per person! Email us at info@newcastle-speedway.co.uk to book! Why can’t stuff be posted on the website when it happens? It pisses me off as it’s pure laziness, 90% of your audience don’t do social media. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted September 14, 2021 58 minutes ago, Diamondboy said: Why can’t stuff be posted on the website when it happens? It pisses me off as it’s pure laziness, 90% of your audience don’t do social media. Wasn't social media the way to attract a younger/bigger audience? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gaz 214 Posted September 14, 2021 So “wheels in motion” other week and now it seems final.. but then 2 interested parties? Who knows what’s going on 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JCookie 753 Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Diamondboy said: Why can’t stuff be posted on the website when it happens? It pisses me off as it’s pure laziness, 90% of your audience don’t do social media. Let's be honest the stuff that gets posted on social media is shocking anyway. Zero effort put into it. It's a crying shame because there's so much potential there. Glasgow have 20k Twitter followers, Newcastle have 5k. That doesn't always translate into crowd numbers but it's better to have them than not. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diamonds85 699 Posted September 14, 2021 Bet there's no mention of the club's impending doom on look north But every single football team in the north east will get mentioned though!! Too little too late either way... Never got a mention before... Bet most people in the area havent even heard of speedway before... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ruffdiamond 6,115 Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said: ... Bet most people in the area havent even heard of speedway before... Lots of folk still say to me,,, 'speedway, is that still going?,,, never see it advertised anywhere'. Lots of folk I know still go to the post office and the chippy. Edited September 14, 2021 by ruffdiamond Share this post Link to post Share on other sites