Mr Blobby 2,662 Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Crang doesn’t look the answer to reserve problem Wouldn’t disagree. Lawlor was improving but still not really scoring. Problem we have with this system is getting a half decent rising star to travel this far north or based this far north. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Endeavour 681 Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Crang doesn’t look the answer to reserve problem Gated along with Nathan in heat 2 before race was stopped. DQd from rerun apparently due to no dirt deflector on his bike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawks 1975 69 Posted August 11, 2021 Two questions after last night. Firstly, does anybody know how Dan Gilkes is after his ambulance ride. What sort of injury was it - did he hit his head as he fell? Secondly, can somebody explain to me why, after the extensive track regrade after heat 10, the next two races were a full second slower! Quite often the fastest time of the night is recorded in heat one on a pristine track, yet the regrade produced slower races - why? I wouldn't say the racing improved after, so why do it? Granted an interval allows some to visit the bar, etc, but what is the value of all that tractor action? I seem to remember Mr Godfrey at Scunthorpe once saying he didn't believe in touching the track once the meeting had started! Anyone know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,363 Posted August 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, Endeavour said: Gated along with Nathan in heat 2 before race was stopped. DQd from rerun apparently due to no dirt deflector on his bike. That’s good progress then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted August 11, 2021 1 hour ago, hawks 1975 said: Two questions after last night. Firstly, does anybody know how Dan Gilkes is after his ambulance ride. What sort of injury was it - did he hit his head as he fell? Secondly, can somebody explain to me why, after the extensive track regrade after heat 10, the next two races were a full second slower! Quite often the fastest time of the night is recorded in heat one on a pristine track, yet the regrade produced slower races - why? I wouldn't say the racing improved after, so why do it? Granted an interval allows some to visit the bar, etc, but what is the value of all that tractor action? I seem to remember Mr Godfrey at Scunthorpe once saying he didn't believe in touching the track once the meeting had started! Anyone know? It was far too long a tractor break, considering the meeting was already running late. Surely the priority should be giving the punters the 15 heats that they have paid for. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,363 Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, cityrebel said: It was far too long a tractor break, considering the meeting was already running late. Surely the priority should be giving the punters the 15 heats that they have paid for. They got 15 heats.! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted August 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Fromafar said: They got 15 heats.! By the skin of our teeth! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
East End Fan 426 Posted August 11, 2021 3 hours ago, hawks 1975 said: Two questions after last night. Firstly, does anybody know how Dan Gilkes is after his ambulance ride. What sort of injury was it - did he hit his head as he fell? Secondly, can somebody explain to me why, after the extensive track regrade after heat 10, the next two races were a full second slower! Quite often the fastest time of the night is recorded in heat one on a pristine track, yet the regrade produced slower races - why? I wouldn't say the racing improved after, so why do it? Granted an interval allows some to visit the bar, etc, but what is the value of all that tractor action? I seem to remember Mr Godfrey at Scunthorpe once saying he didn't believe in touching the track once the meeting had started! Anyone know? Not being a track man, I cannot actually answer the question, BUT my common sense tells me that it may well have something to do with keeping dust from appearing. Ir was a very warm evening with a decent breeze, so conditions to dry the track quickly. Checking my programme, the races immediately after the main track work were won by a visiting rider. Is that the reason for slower race times ? Who cares anyway ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waco 1,026 Posted August 11, 2021 You can not put water on a bare track it makes it very dangerous ,so it has to be graded first ,,but with a curfew looming it needs to be done as quickly as possible And the ref should have put the two minute warning on immediately it was finished ,,he was slow all night .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old bob at herne bay 828 Posted August 11, 2021 Most referees are slow nowadays. Seem to be frightened of the riders and the track staff Frank Ebdon would certainly not stood for the incessant gardening, and time wasting tactics , and endless tractor racing that seems to now be the norm at all meetings. I have witnessed him excluding all 4 riders under 2 minutes for failing to get to the start in heat 1 of a meeting. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
East End Fan 426 Posted August 11, 2021 53 minutes ago, waco said: You can not put water on a bare track it makes it very dangerous ,so it has to be graded first ,,but with a curfew looming it needs to be done as quickly as possible And the ref should have put the two minute warning on immediately it was finished ,,he was slow all night .... Waco seems to agree my guess about the track needing to be watered. I didn't particularly notice that the ref' was slow, but he may well have been. Surely all the refs know that Kent has an 8.30 curfew and that they need to keep things going at a fast pace ? Slow or fast, I went home having enjoyed a good meeting with good racing and Kent, for a change, just edging it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted August 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Most referees are slow nowadays. Seem to be frightened of the riders and the track staff Frank Ebdon would certainly not stood for the incessant gardening, and time wasting tactics , and endless tractor racing that seems to now be the norm at all meetings. I have witnessed him excluding all 4 riders under 2 minutes for failing to get to the start in heat 1 of a meeting. Once a referee arrives, he should have total control over the running of the meeting. Similar to football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
East End Fan 426 Posted August 12, 2021 10 hours ago, cityrebel said: Once a referee arrives, he should have total control over the running of the meeting. Similar to football. I always thought he did have. What does he not control ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
00000 1,279 Posted August 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, East End Fan said: I always thought he did have. What does he not control ? Do female referees have lesser powers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted August 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, East End Fan said: I always thought he did have. What does he not control ? He doesn't control parades, intervals and tractor breaks. That is down to the promoter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites