Hawk127 1,372 Posted September 7, 2022 All the debates regarding the state of British speedway (not to be confused with other similar products held outside England and Scotland) is irrelevant when the sport has a number of fronts to fight to save its existence. You have track owners with a few being on the top table who make the rules up as they go along, riders who have an inflated valuation on their services and then the local authorities who are as crooked as they come (see Swindon, Coventry and no doubt many on here can name others who simply do not want a speedway track in their back yard). The joke is on the punter who continues to pay to cross the threshold of the surviving tracks where many serve up little in the form of entertainment and yet pretend that everything is fine. It is a sport which has not changed with the times and regardless of the age of supporters, it neither meets the idea of a slick presentation that can get the terraces excited nor is credible given the rules etc. and as a prospective business opportunity has zero appeal in terms of making a return in its own right without the addition of 3rd party contributions from sponsors etc. Start again get back to basics and become a part time occupation for the riders and a streaming service that punters can tap into for live speedway if they wish. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,387 Posted September 7, 2022 4 hours ago, steve roberts said: ...knowing the BSPA they are just as likely to introduce such a ruling here in their continual "blind alley". They would need more than six teams to let six qualify for the play offs... Although.... Maybe not..... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,486 Posted September 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Wolfie456 said: Yes but why keep knocking our leagues.Others aren't so perfect We are not talking about other Countries ,if they have problems leave them to solve them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roger Jacobs 559 Posted September 7, 2022 54 minutes ago, topaz325 said: The fans were washed out The meeting was abandoned - not sure what else could have been done? I agree that ticket holders could maybe get a discount on the re-staging, but other than that there was nothing unusual about the meeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topaz325 1,880 Posted September 7, 2022 Yes as you say normal ....Speedway keeping fans hanging around in the rain for around 40 minutes but that’s about normal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted September 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Steve0 said: You are correct - it was a draw with Ipswich getting 3 points for winning the super heat. Super heats are in the rules so the result was not false - you may not like it but it won’t change the resulting points. Maybe not as far as the rules go but wrong as far as the fair result of the meeting goes imo! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,715 Posted September 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, Trees said: Maybe not as far as the rules go but wrong as far as the fair result of the meeting goes imo! Tress in negative post shock - surely she's been hacked 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arch Stanton 2,313 Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Trees said: Maybe not as far as the rules go but wrong as far as the fair result of the meeting goes imo! What wasn’t fair about it? Peterborough didn’t lose their point for the “draw”. If their point was taken away I’d agree with you. The scoring system for this superheat isn’t flawless as much as I like the concept of it. Speedway has more of a home advantage than other sports as we all know, because of track knowledge and machine set ups etc. home sides will always have an advantage which is why in my opinion they got the scoring spot on for a draw, 1 point for the home side (you can’t give a team nothing for not losing the match) and 2 points for an away draw as it’s definitely a better result for an away team than a home team. This is where the discrepancy comes in for the superheat point scoring. We effectively gained an extra point for winning the superheat, turning a 2 point “draw” in to a 3 point win. Whereas if Peterborough had won the superheat, they’d have gained an extra 2 points instead of one. Not sure that can be right so it’s certainly not perfect. Or have I completely lost my marbles and got the old point scoring for a draw wrong? It was 1 for a home draw and 2 for an away draw wasn’t it? Edited September 7, 2022 by Arch Stanton 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wtf 621 Posted September 8, 2022 14 hours ago, Hawk127 said: All the debates regarding the state of British speedway (not to be confused with other similar products held outside England and Scotland) is irrelevant when the sport has a number of fronts to fight to save its existence. You have track owners with a few being on the top table who make the rules up as they go along, riders who have an inflated valuation on their services and then the local authorities who are as crooked as they come (see Swindon, Coventry and no doubt many on here can name others who simply do not want a speedway track in their back yard). The joke is on the punter who continues to pay to cross the threshold of the surviving tracks where many serve up little in the form of entertainment and yet pretend that everything is fine. It is a sport which has not changed with the times and regardless of the age of supporters, it neither meets the idea of a slick presentation that can get the terraces excited nor is credible given the rules etc. and as a prospective business opportunity has zero appeal in terms of making a return in its own right without the addition of 3rd party contributions from sponsors etc. Start again get back to basics and become a part time occupation for the riders and a streaming service that punters can tap into for live speedway if they wish. How can riders have an inflated opinion of their worth if D#ckhead Promotions are prepared to pay them that rate? That's simply supply and demand. Speedway essentially hasn't changed in 60+ years, what has changed is the space for attention it competes in. There is much more competition for someone's spare disposable income these days. Fans forget they are nothing more than customers of a product. If you like the product, buy it, if you don't like it then don't. Despite what most think, you're entitled to nothing more. Speedway needs to evolve hugely, I agree, it needs to cut it's cloth accordingly. It probably doesn't need big stadia if it has few fans present and mainly streams 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
highside 118 Posted September 8, 2022 It wouldn't surprise me if the BSPL came up with a stupid rule like gloves must be the same colour as helmet colours ,massive changes need to be made or there will be no speedway in 10 year . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,715 Posted September 8, 2022 7 hours ago, highside said: It wouldn't surprise me if the BSPL came up with a stupid rule like gloves must be the same colour as helmet colours ,massive changes need to be made or there will be no speedway in 10 year . Ooo - I like that one 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,801 Posted September 11, 2022 Anyone who watched gorzow v Lublin tonight it was my previous post case in point perfectly, a dreadful meeting with not one pass after the 1st corner in 15 heats but a near full stadium and a win for Gorzow, every single person in that stadium would of had a brilliant fan experience, the atmosphere was amazing and the fans loving it, even the Lublin fans were chanting and adding to the atmosphere, although the tv can never catch the live experience it did capture some but for tv viewers it was a hard watch, with only the fact that it was a final keeping the interest 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,801 Posted September 11, 2022 Interesting on the magazine programme tonight they are having a discussion on Leon madsen new karger ignition system, imo yet more unneeded expense in the sport Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wtf 621 Posted September 11, 2022 34 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Interesting on the magazine programme tonight they are having a discussion on Leon madsen new karger ignition system, imo yet more unneeded expense in the sport Yet they've been around for 4 years plus, and the "new Karger Ignition" is very primitive compared to other motorsport applications. The cost of the bikes at the upper end of the sport is only an issue over here. The question is does the UK choose to have different bike specification rules than the rest of the speedway world in a similar way that they have a different tyre rule? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,801 Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, wtf said: Yet they've been around for 4 years plus, and the "new Karger Ignition" is very primitive compared to other motorsport applications. The cost of the bikes at the upper end of the sport is only an issue over here. The question is does the UK choose to have different bike specification rules than the rest of the speedway world in a similar way that they have a different tyre rule? Poland are as concerned as we are about the bikes getting more expensive, more specialised, it’s just not needed, as with 95% of bike mods in speedway over the last 30years we have multiplied the cost x5 to achieve absolutely nothing, same speed same racing if not worse, it’s not worth it, the cost is ultimately passed on to the fans and we don’t care about what bike it is, i am the biggest speedway bike geek out there, I have many of them, all ages and love messing with engines but it’s a def no no from me Edited September 11, 2022 by THE DEAN MACHINE 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
